Why is it I feel that, if I talk abotu Brack Obama, I’m gonna get slammed with comments and hatemail for being a racist or something along those lines? You know how hard it is to make a joke about a black person? Very hard. I can trash white folks, blondes, Jews, rednecks, doctors and lawyers – hell pretty much anyone I want so long as they’re not “African American.” W-T-F.
At anyrate, I’m immune. How so? Well these aren’t MY jokes – F&J is gonna let others do the talking for us. All the glory of coming up with something witty without any of that nasty email stuff. Sweet. Enjoy.
Ann Coulter – “I refer to him as B. Hussein Obama. He’s half white and half black, half Christian and half Muslim and half atheist. Something there for every Democrat.”
Jay Leno – “Do you know what Barack Obama’s middle name is? Hussein. Could’ve been worse. Could’ve been Kerry.”
Jay Leno – “Barack Obama said today that politics has become too gummed up by money and influence … and then he had to leave to attend a fundraiser.”
Bill Maher – “Did you see this today about Barack Obama? Genealogy research has revealed that Obama’s great-great-grandfather was born in Ireland. Oh great, now he won’t be Irish enough for people.”
Conan O’Brien – “The Reverend Jesse Jackson told CNN that he’s planning to endorse Barack Obama for president. Experts say this is a risky move for Jackson, because hardly anything rhymes with Barack Obama.”
cheapest thing ever red about
this was not funny it was stupid
C’mon people! I don’t care when someone calls me a redneck, or hick, or hillbilly. So they’re black. So I’m hick. Who cares, its a joke.
That was great. People are misguided about Obama and they need to see the light… If the reverend thing didn’t do it, and the fact that his middle name is Huessin doesn’t do it, then we need something that will…. This wasn’t joke-like, but I liked it.
they could have done better
He’s not irish enough for me.
ha ha ha l like the Jesse Jackson part loll
Q. Why did Obama change his name from Barry Obama to Barack Obama?
A. He thought “Barry” Obama sounded too American.
okay..I’m half white and half black and Obama Rules but why y’all complaining if he ain’t saying nuthing then don’t y’all say nuthing…For real though. Y’all getting mad over bull.
hey “south carolina chick”…..
SPEAK ENGLISH
I think I heard some people get offended… come on people… jokes… ha ha ha… don’t let the politics get the best of you… the same people who joke about BUSH is the same people defending Obama… I think all politica people are fair game… ONLY JOKES PEOPLE… MOVE ALONG
do you really want to know why you cant say anything about black people.
its because they endured 400 years of mockery and slavery. martin luther king did not do what he did so that this could keep happeneing.
show some respect.
I’m Irish.. Wanna get lucky?
im not offended but obama is a great man. HE DID NOT PICK HIS MIDDLE NAME! you’re not racist, person who wrote this, just a republican moron. ONLY A MORON WOULD VOTE FOR MCCAIN- remember Bush? Well, that’s McCain right there. E-Mail thetpn@gmail.com if you have something to say about that!
that was really gay seriously
Jokes must at least:
1. Be Funny
2. Make Sense
— even when it comes to truth.
This “joke” does not fill enough criteria to be a real joke.
here is a real joke:
St peter was standing at the gates of Heaven when a Barack Obama came up to him.
St Peter: tell me who you are and what you did on earth
Obama: my name is Barrack Obama and i was the first black president if the United states of America
St Peter: Really!?! When did that happen?
Obama: about 20mins ago
LOL
oh and i am black and i love Barrack to bits
umhhh, thats alllll i can sayy!
Those are all soooo funny!!!! Of course Obama is a joke so all of this fits!
Five reasons Beer is better than Barack Obama:
1. Beer is better than Obama because you know what’s in beer.
2. Beer is better than Obama because beer won’t take half your paycheck.
3. Beer is better than Obama because beer makes life a little better.
4. Beer is better than Obama because you’re sad if there’s no more beer.
5. Beer is better than Obama because beer doesn’t lie.
There are actually 58 of those but if you’ve had too much beer watching football, 5 is enough, LOL
im black an’ i luv barack obama, u vitoz need 2 get a grip on lyf, da white house wont stay white 4eva
A husband and wife voted in the 2008 Presidental election. That evening, the husband asks his wife “So hun, who did you vote for?” Wife says “McCain, and you?” H-“Obama.” W-“WHAT????You said you were going to vote for McCain. ” H-“I know, but I changed my mind when the government said they were going to pay Obama in bananas to save money.”
New Obama Directive: All white people report to the cotton fields promptly at 8 a.m.
Every black person voted for him ONLY because hes black. WTF? did you know hes also half arabic? Did you forget about 9-11 people? He is the antichrist..I hope you are happy you voted for him when He bombs our whole fucking country idiots
I completely agree with the above statements…we make jokes about everyone else…and he is the upcoming president..so people need to get over it…he’s going to be the punchline to a few jokes..and no one should be afraid..we’ve made fun of every other political figure in history..how is he any different??
Immediately after the election the white house reports the secret service will begin cutting staff. New agents will be replace by the department of fish and game. Shortly after the announcement, Fish and game wardens walk into the white house and say “we heard ders a ‘coon in the buildin’!”
some of u people r kinda dumb. u see…this…was a joke. it was made to make people laugh….just because he’s black, doesnt mean we hate on him…we make blonde jokes…but we LOVE blondes!! theyre so fun! anyways…the people who are takin offense to black jokes should really just shut up because they look really dumb. i mean, if there was a fat joke…and a bunch of fat people commented, stating how offended they were and that skitttles did NOT pop out when they sat on the rainbow….i’d probably laugh my guts out wonderin why they took such a JOKE so seriously…..
The statue of Liberty will be torn down and replaced with Aunt Jemima holdin a chicken bone. Our National bird will no longer be the Bald Eagle, now its fried chicken. Now theres some funny shit for ya!!!
wats the diffrence between simba and obama?
simbas an african lion, obamas a lion african
hahhhh
8 years of Barry Obama jokes, I love it!!! Bring them on!
now here’s a joke…..what makes you think one black man can run the white house when ten blacks cant run a burger king?……………that shits funny i dont care who you are
Only reason obama got elected was because he acts white.His black dad wasnt there for him as a kid–anotherwords didnt raise him.He was raised by his whiteside and thats the only reason he is where hes at today.That and the fact hes 1/2 white.He aint even black, the media twists shit up so much its pathetic.
I heard Hallmark is coming out with a Barack Obama Christmas ornament. Now everyone can hang a nigger from a tree!
Remember, his real name is Barry not Barack!
just what this country needs…. another black man asking for change
Seriously, who in today’s time was enslaved? I am sick of Black people who are stuck on this 400 years crap and their on little pity party. Seriously, those of us alive today had nothing to do with this! My family immigrated to the US well after slavery was abolished, and they went through hard times, too, but through generations, we all learned to be self sufficient, no matter what! I’m sick of the pathetic losers who voted for B Obama who want handouts, handouts, and more handouts. Oh, and those are the ones who appear illiterate in their comments even on here! If you voted, hey, go fill out a job application!
Keep the Obama jokes coming! We need to get rid of the double standard. We can make jokes at anyone’s expense… it’s all in fun, and humor is what makes the world go round!
Q.Why don’t black girls have blond hair?
A. We can not make them any dumber.
Big Momma In Da House part 3 is coming 0ut real soon-
Obama said he was not sure that he could fix the economic crisis any time soon but he was pretty sure he could nigger rig it.
because of Obama yomama fried chicken Kool aid collard greens malt liquior and gold teeth will all be tax exempt.
chage means can help a nigger get elected
i hate obama,
Obama is gay. Let’s just face the facts all the black people voted for him because he’s black. If God wants something to happen to him it will with or without “guards”. Muahahahaha
what does obama and JFK have in common? ………nothing YET!
Come on get real people. I didnt vote against obama because of his color, but because of his believes. and quit getting mad about black people jokes. How often do you hear white people or mexicans complain???? Get real. US ARMY STRONG
what does Simba and obama have in common?
one is an african lion and the other is a lyin african
Why did nixon vote for obama?
he didnt want to be the wordt president in history
ALL THESE JOKES ARE SOO DAMN FUNNY! LETS JUST FACE IT, WE ALL HATE NIGGERS! THEY AINT GOOD FOR NOTHING AND NEITHER WILL OBAMA, HE JUST WON CUZ HALF HIS VOTES CAME FROM DEAD PEOPLE, ANIMALS WHO SOMEHOW GOT REGISTERED AND UNDERAGE KIDS!
dont know what all this obama fuss is about… black guys have been breaking into white houses for years
sales of white sheets and scissors have rocketed by 96% in america
I think all blacks should STOP complaining as they are ALL being hypocrites, if we can’t joke about them, why can they joke about us?
Also imagine this… Obama in White House… his black wife as First Lady… I mean… he goes home, says to wife, “Hunny I got it! I’m president now!, she would reply, “Nuh uh, WE won, WE are president now!” You can’t have a black man run as president, when the black woman controls him and wouldn’t stand being first lady!
Sounded funny at the time, hope it does still… was from a comedy show…
I am black, and not a self hater. I love my color and my heritage. Now that all that is behind me, just in case someone wants to slam me. I even support Obama! I can laugh at myself. I just don’t like the racist jokes. I think most of those were funny though.
How is one black man gonna run the White House, when 10 black people cant run a White Castle??
XD nice ZPTO
Soxfan that was freakin hilarious.
People need to realize that Obama is only half black. If you dont like him cause he is black…like his white side. OH BURN!
Remember america, were gonna spread tha wealth around.
I be black and I wants yall to stop hatin on my boy Obama. It is gonna be allot better here soon. I can’t wait till they start spreadin the wealth. My food stamp gonna raise and maybe theys can fix my leaky roof or gives me a new house. Obama ain’t evens in office yet an gas already be lower. It be only 35 to full up my caddy now.
I found it really funny that
A. the guy who wrote this was complaining about how he can’t make jokes about Obama when he in his intro made at least three remarks that implied that black people were a different separate entity that is worse than white people
Also when a black person makes a joke about another group their isn’t the underlying fact that they oppressed the other group for hundreds of years and the fact *hint for everyone who left a comment* despite denial of rascist beliefs there is underlying racist beliefs in the heaarts of many people
Why does it matter what color someone is anyway? No one ever spent an entire election fretting about eye color or hair color implications.
Color does not create behavior situation does.
Btw if you haven’t caught on I’m black and though I didn’t find the jokes offensive I did believe many of the comments were offensive
Q: why are people waitin to kill him until martin luther kings day?
A: we alredy have anough black holidays!!
had to say it
Is this a real comment?
“I be black and I wants yall to stop hatin on my boy Obama. It is gonna be allot better here soon. I can’t wait till they start spreadin the wealth. My food stamp gonna raise and maybe theys can fix my leaky roof or gives me a new house. Obama ain’t evens in office yet an gas already be lower. It be only 35 to full up my caddy now.”
Wow really? So it be really only 35 for a full tank in the “caddy” you say, hows that working out for you? Get a life, and a job- you are the problem, you and your food stamps and your Caddy, and your “give me, I’m oppressed” way of life.
You deserve a leaky roof and noone should fix it for you. Top off the ol’ caddy and go down to Lowes and buy a pack of shingles. If you truly can’t afford to fix your roof, contact a local Baptist Church and let them know your problem, and out of the goodness of peoples hearts your roof will probably be repaired. But dont sit there and wait on the govt to fix your roof, acting like you deserve it.
WOW, there is a difference between funny and plain out stupid narrow minded idiots! and some of you people be stepping on that liine a lil too much! I can laugh at a joke if it’s funny no matter what of who it is about and as long as the person(if any) would find it funny too, but some people just comment to be rascist on the internet but in real life they wouldn’t dare say shit, so if you ain’t man (or woman) enough to say something about some race to that race than i’d keep my mouth shut if i was you! other than that i think this website is pretty fucking funny!!!!!!!
I dont see why this is history?? He isn’t even black, he is mixed!!! Ill call it history when a real black guy takes ofice!!!
The author is absolutely right. The Obamessiah was off limits for jokes. Even more so than the every day general black jokes.
This stems from a problem we face today called “Perpetual Victimitis”. It is a machine running at full throttle, wiping out common sense at every turn. This juggernaut was built and launched by the slow, creeping enactment of a new “right”: The unwritten, yet FULLY enforced “Right To Be Free From Hurt Feelings”. People who can claim even the remotest attachment to a “minority” (race, sexual preference, gender, religion, etc.) status have learned to carry a permanent chip on their shoulders, looking for the slightest reason to be offended, just so they can slam their own “look-at-me-I-am-the-victim” card on the table. (what color is that paper? It’s blue, why? “OH MY GAWD! HE SAID BLUE! I’M BEING OPRESSED BY A RACIST!”)
This would almost be a joke of its own… if it weren’t so sadly true.
Power-hungry people, organizations, and for-profit hustlers keep these shallow-minded hate machines fully fueled, finely tuned, and razor sharp. Take race-baiters such as Je$$e Jack$on and Al “I have a scheme” Sharpton, the anti-everything ACLU, and groups like CAIR for some crystal clear examples. When a scenario pops up that has the most minute hint of something that can be twisted into a cause célèbre for their brand of victimitis, they swoop in for a quick cameo and flagellate themselves in front of the cameras, crying about repression, prejudice, racism, eeevil white people, you name it.
And people like Alerion (above), for example, keep the wailing and gnashing of teeth going by unwittingly (or willingly?) perpetuating the oppression game. It’s their own personal trump card. He can try to keep you from saying what you want because he has his little oppressed-for-hundreds-of-years trump card.
What is worse is that America has become such a nation of “feel-good”, guilt-ridden wimps that we allow this absurdity to continue. I do not include myself in this “we”. I quit buying the bovine excrement a long, long time ago. And I have been, and will be, called a racist (BWAAHAHA) for not playing along with the game.
look here obama is black for everyone out there who thinks he isnt.this is a historic moment and some white people just cant stand the fact that a black person is there prez!! so get the hell over it
It is true that SOME white people cannot stand the fact that the united states now has a black president… well, half-black (Remember, he has a white mother. but, he made the choice long ago as to which race he would attach himself — he has said so himself).
And could someone quantify that accusation, please? Just how many whites are there who can’t stand a black president? I mean, come ON, people! As many times as we’ve had this thrown dowm at us, surely SOMEONE has been counting!
Or… hold on a minute. Could this be just another attempt to play the victimitis trump cards again? Hmmm…
And while the “racist” accusation are flying around, let me be clear:
Whites who voted against Obama just because of his skin color are racists. Shallow-minded racists…
But the EXACT SAME label of “racist” applies to every single black person (or any other, for that matter) who voted FOR Obama just because of skin color.
Pot meets Kettle on the two way street.
There ARE some non-blacks (myself included) who were not so shallow. We didn’t give a rat’s derriere about dermal melatonin content of a candidate when deciding which way to vote.
Yes, a black man now has the title of President. Yes, this is an historical event. But is it significant? Not at all. The significance of Obama’s presidency will only be revealed by what he does with the title, not the irrelevant fact that he has it.
I so agree with you on this but just remember there are some people out there who are still racist(not just white people). This is significant because african-americans have come a long way. I cant believe you would say that this is not significant because it really is. I just feel that you have to be black in order to really understand (not trying to be racist or anything)but you will never understand how fully significant this really is. And not all black
people voted for just obama…
And yes it does all matter about what he is going to do since he is in office…and i know he is going to do a really good job(better than McCain) and you would be surprised as to how many white people cant stand the fact that our president is black. And even though he is half white/black i still consider him black beacuse if you were to see obama on the street without knowing his background or anything, what would you think he is just by looking at his skin color…BLACK…(not trying to be rude or anything but you get my point)
You know when obama said he was for change? Well change stands for cantcha help a nigga get elected
The world would be a very uptight place if we couldn’t all just make fun of eachother. I am hispanic and I get all kind of racist jokes all the time and I just laugh about it and make one back. As long as there’s not someone taking it personal then it’s all in good fun. The people who actually take it offensive are the ones who make this such a serious matter. Being able to laugh at yourself is one of the best things you can have. Besides, us hispanics were all oppressed by the Spanish as well and I have many Spanish friends and we throw all kind of jokes back and forth with no hard feelings.
P.S. What do you call a pregnant hispanic? A bean bag! lol my brother in law told me that one.
Did you hear Barry will cut the Rose garden in the white house?… he’s gonna plant a water melon Patch!
Housain! holly macarel…ha ha ha
If we can’t joke about Obama does that mean we can’t gripe about how he leads this nation. The press sure made fun of Bush. They are Pro-Obama. If he he wants to spread the wealth, how come they want to pay Michelle for being the first lady. And to the comment about having to be black to understand racism. That is completely absurd. Black people can be just as racist.
i heard that were going tohave to dig up the rose garden at the white house and plant a watermelon patch.
And now he wants to change the state bird to a chicken and take down the statue of liberty and put up a statue of aunt jamima
Did you hear about the Obama drama last summer in that bahamas machells mama in her hummer hit a bump and caused truama to obama’s dumper
What did Micheal Jackson say when obama got elected ???? he’s black he’s white he’s like me yea yea yea !!!!
just a quick note
obama is a black american he has chosen to identify himself with the black part of his haritage as is proven by his choice of wife. Yes he is half white however it is no secret in his demeaner and actions he is a proud african american by choice….
For johnny Rebel This nation does not have a state bird our national bird is the american bald eagle. I would suggest before you try making racict jokes you should try educating yourself on american history.. Seems that the joke is on you this time dumb ass ha ha ha !!!!
Yes, making fun of black people is just wrong… because Lord knows not one black has ever made a White joke in all of history.
Wow, that was hard to type while making a straight face.
Just goes again to prove their hypocrisy and lack of any intelligence, but demand we embrace them for having a culture that is supposedly so high and might.
And yes, it’s black, not african American. how many South Africaans who are dutch “hoe gaan dit met u?” are white who has moved to the United States of America? Doesn’t this qualify them to also be african-American?
Therefore, african-American has absolutely nothing to do with color and race, but rather instead, to do with geographical locations?
And although I don’t make any great effort to use this, but for debate reasons, the word “nigger” is offencive to the blacks yet they constantly use this word towards each other yet expect it not to be used by a White, yet they constantly refer to Whites as cracker, honky, doughboys etc…
Freedom of Speech is a one way door for some? Sounds like snowball from the orwellian cartoon animal farm is alive and well.
Well at this time in our history I would think that poking a little fun at the new president is ok. However the ole Orwell Ian cartoon images of black people is a thing of the past. Black people don’t call each other “nigger” we use the term “my nigga” as a way to defuse the sting of a word nigger that was meant to degrade and hurt black Americans for many years and me as a black man feel it has been successful , it’s like the old saying goes if you cant beat um join um but its a big difference between making jokes and being a racist any on with an ounce of class would feel as the majority of fair minded Americans did on November 9th that felt Obama was the best qualified person for the job of president and what a huge job he has. We should all be thankful and hopeful he can help bail us out this mess that poor deporable governing has put us in.
“Barack Hussein Obama, Can’t We Joke About Him?”
The answer to this blog is “yes we can” >but with some class< it’s time for change.
ok Nov 4th typeo
Obama is going to balance the budget and save money by not using air force one he is going take flight with them big ears like Dumbo
ya’ll just shut your Fcken hoes..!!!!!!
you guys are nonsense…
white is the reason why our community is so low coz they are white..they think for theirselves….im white/mexican..so i have no against obama..!!!
being white is full of crap….!!!!!
when it’s white??? it aint right…
see what i mean???????? black people has more heart..
black guys are WAY hotter than white..white people are NERDS..ewww
they can’t dress right….black makes go0d musics..
white has no talents man….there talents are being prostitutes..WHAT A SHAME!!!!
I just want to know if Obama woul have been elected if he were white?
dude by laughing my stomach is paining…cm on
My President is Black My lambo is blue and i’d be gad damned if rims aint too!
GET THE F^@K OVER IT!
My President is Black My lambo is blue and i’d be gad damned if my rims aint too!
GET THE F^@K OVER IT!
just to let all of you black supremacist out there know that Obama wouldnt have been elected if he werent part black. and for all of you who think he is half black do your research you stupid “nigger” as you would say he is only 6.25% black and just so all of you will know he is the first Muslim American president to serve in the white house and this also proves that no matter how much a black man makes he will still live in government housing…. do you still think that you are the supreme race????? hahahaha NOT……….. you fail again…. kill yourself
Just in: A scandal out on Obama already. It seems his grandmother had posed nude in a centerfold for National Geographic.
i never read or seen this much childish shit in my life. this is directed to white power kkk, you all for sure are not the supreme race ,there is no supreme race .because if you were blacks would’nt be free or be in your “white house”.if u spent more time trying to make the world we all live in better rather than ironing that white sheet for a klan rally i think one racist white boy at a time the world would change
you know what you find out the truth in people when you dont know or cannt find them. this country aint gonna change. they just want you to think its going to change. im fifteen and i have alot of friend with different races. it seem to me that all the racism comes from the older people and the few child that are racist just copy what they parent teach them. and no im not just talking to white people im talking to:blacks,asian, hispanics,etc.
racism will never disappear it will just be covered up.
I am TRULY blown away by some of the hateful, senseless, ignorant things I have read. I for one love a good joke, I even indulge in a good racial joke from time to time; and NO Obama is not immune. . . no one is except the Holy Trinity. I actually posted a video about Barack and the KKK on my Youtaz page (www.youtaz.com/babyradford). However I only indulge in such behavior with people I know and with those that are used to my “off -color” sense of humor. Even being born and raised in a racist state (west virginia) one would think I would have been prepared for the outright idiocy I have read here tonight. The scary thing is that we are around these hateful, sick, distorted-thinking people every day. You don’t know who they are unless they reveal themselves (which they normally do through their own stupidity eventually); I tend to think that they know their thinking is flawed and therefore hide their true feelings. I could go on but they do not deserve that much thought or energy.
I am TOTALLY blown away by the hatred and ignorance I have witnessed here today. I love a good joke and from time to time I indulge in a good racial joke . . . but only with those that are aware of my “off-color” sense of humor. Obama is a public figure and a very controversial one at that, of course there will be jokes – it goes with the territory. But the sick, hateful garbage spewed here was alarming because it reinforces my suspicion that there are alot more of those sick, distorted-thinking miscreants than I thought and they don’t always reveal themselves right away. Normally their stupidity takes over and reveals them for what they are eventually. One thing is for sure – they are deserving of no more of my attention or energy. . . I don’t reward stupidity. I don’t blame them for being ignorant . . . I blame them for STAYING THAT WAY!
I hate Obama because he’s a lying caniving man with no ethics what so ever. Not because he’s black.
heres a very funny joke:
Husband:Honey you wont belive this
Wife:what?
Husband:i read todays new york times!!
Wife:you do it everyday
Husband:yes but today it came on the front page of new york times that barack obama farted in front of everyone in a lecture and was taken to the mental hospital!!
Wife:wow omg really?
Husband:yep
Wife:but thats too sad
Husband: no its good because the place for president is open now and im running!!
Wife: omg New York would become a piece of shit flushed down the toilet if you were president
Husband: you wish im the best person
Wife: at farting?
Husband: no
3 year old Child coming into the room: ma ma, ma ma
Wife: yes child?
Child: what are you talking
Wife: child your dad is running for president
Child: ai karamba( child faints and falls down )
Husband: what is ai karamba supposed to mean?
Wife: i think it means O M G
🙂 🙂 🙂
Husband: i think i will stop running for president
Wife : thank god
Child waking up: santamariya thank you
Husband: where does he learn this language?
Blessed are they who find Obama funny, for they shall never cease to be entertained.
Please read and learn than you can enjoy the jokes-
I’m not against black people or any other race, I like the minorities that can speek english and can speek it like a fuckin human, and the ones who have jobs and contribute to society, the rest of them are meerly burdens and obstacles destroying our economy and future. today the white man is the one being persecuted. There are lierally thousands of programs, clubs, and organizations to aid the so-called minorities. They all get special benefits, money, holidays, and rights; then they ask for more and if they don’t get it or get in trouble out comes the racism card. But if we tried celebrating white history, or had programs to benefit only whites there would be violent riots and outrage saying we are just trying to segregate again. I believe when the Declaration of Independence say “all men created equal” it means equal, not ” all men created equal, but because some shit happened to your ancestors a hundred years ago the whites are going to buy you houses and big screen Tvs well they cant support their own families, then listen to all your bitching and moaning about not being treated equally. If in order to vote you had to have a job Barack would have gotten a hundred votes. He was only elected by people too lazy to work and want the money from him to sits on their asses, they just don’t realize their living off of the white man’s hard-earned dollar. Now here are some jokes-
Oh Yeah, Black people’s rap music SUCKS!
Have you ever heard of something called an instrument? or even MUSIC? Its fun you should try some?
A funny Obama motto: “A penny saved is a penny taxed.”
Another funny Obama motto: “If at first you don’t succeed, change the rules.”
When Obama and tax collectors meet, they wink at each other.
Under an Obama presidency the IRS will be more diligent about detecting red flags, like leftover money in your bank account after you pay your taxes.
Obama says we should be proud to pay more taxes, but the funny thing is that most of us could be just as proud for half the money.
Have you ever noticed how Obama thinks nothing is impossible as long as somebody else has to pay for it?
There’s nothing wrong with the people who voted for Obama that becoming taxpayers won’t cure.
Once Obama is president if you get up early, work late and get a second job, you will still be able to get ahead – if you hit the lottery.
Blessed are they who find Obama funny, for they shall never cease to be entertained.
When Obama is sworn in as President, the only real “gun nuts” will be the people who don’t have any.
It’s a funny thing about socialists; give one an inch and the next thing you know he’ll be president.
Today the term “nigger-riggin” is not acceptable, it is now a “presidential solution”
Isn’t funny the world’s most powerful black man is still living in government funded housing.
Why will Obama’s face never make it on money, His lips are too big!
The Genie
A black guy knew he had it made when the old brass bottle he found in the back yard turned out to have a genie in it. Any three wishes he had would be granted, the genie informed him.
“I wanna be rich,” said the black man. The back yard filled up with chests of gold coins and jewels in the blink of an eye.
“I’m no fool,” said the black man. “I wanna be white.” And there he stood, white, blonde-haired and blue-eyed.
“Thirdly, I never want to work another day in my life.” And he was black again
Q: What would martin luther king be if he was white?
A: Alive
Q: What are three things you can’t give a black person?
A: A black eye, a fat lip and a job.
Q: A black guy and his black girlfriend are in a car. Who’s driving?
A: The cop!
Q: What do you call a black guy who goes to college?
A: A Basketball player
Q: How do you break up the “Million Man March”?
A: Fly overhead with helicopters and drop job applications.
Q: What does it mean when you see a bunch of blacks running in one direction?
A: Jail break
Q: Why are black ladies pocket books so big?
A: They have to put their lipstick some where.
Q: What do u call 1,000 black people on a plane back to Africa?
A: A good start.
Q: Why are all black people fast?
A: Because the slow ones are in jail.
Q: What’s long and hard on a blackman?
A: The first grade.
Q: What does NAACP stand for?
A: National Association of Apes Called People
I’ve read all these comments and all YOU people are F***n racists! Get over it….We have a black president..We gave the white man a chance for 8 years and he screwed it up..that goes to show whose smarter….And it doesn’t matter what color Obama is, HE’S THE PRESIDENT…and nothing is going to change that! Using the n word doesnt hurt african americans, it just reminds us that if you say it and your white…you get an a** whiping plain and simple….Ignorant is all the people above my comments that are writing racist comments…I see you have to hide behind a damn computer to get this out..And to let you know, Obama is all black…if you have any % of black in you then u are black..Oh and no black has to live off a white man’s hard earnd dollar…its just as many whites that sit on their asses and don’t do nothing except collec gov’t fundings..I hope you all rot in hell…If your head is stuck on being a hater of blacks….let the strongest black man beat your ass..
Tany you will never get rid of racism with all that hate you speak. You saying that a black man will kick a white mans ass is ignorant. White men can kick just as much ass as black men. Besides if threatening people is your way of being accepted then you will never be accepted. Just think about how you’d feel about a certain race if they threatened you. Allen is very ignorant and misinformed. When people are used to having an easy life then its easy to critique others. Obama is a strong black man and we should all be thankful that we finally have a president who cares about the little guy and is working hard to fix the many mistakes Bush left behind. I love Obama! =]
I have come to the conlusion that black people are just as racist or more racist as white people. Yeah so white people enslaved black people for a couple hundred years. The Spanish inslaved native americans-anyone care about them? NO! why? Because they got over it! No one person in the united states today who is living has been a slave do to the white man, however, there are some strange and sad cases about people being held as sex salves, etc. But that is highly illigal. Also, its not like the white man has never been a slave! The early Britons where enslaved by the romans! Greeks enslaved fellow Greeks, etc.
My message
White People-Be proud to be white but dont discrimenate
Black People-Be proud to be black and stop complaining about equal rights, you’ve had them for a while now, they only reason white people harrass you is becaue you make a big deal out of things.
Yeah TANY I’m the ignorant one, believing that kicking my ass will change my mind… lets see . Uh no. What did I say again about violent riots? By the way am I the racist one, your the one who said that whites should all rot in hell. UH DUH is that not racist or What? You are a hypocrit, and it is clear to everyone you are the ignorant one. And I have every right to say what I want, and you have no right to accuse me of not voicing my opinions in public, because you too are behind a computer.
And heidi is it not equally as ignorant to judge me when you know nothing about me. I have just as valid point as you do and can enjoy a good joke and not be racist. I meerly have an honest opinion based on my observations, interactions, experiences, and research. As for your comment on an easy life, I agree I have had a good life. But that isn’t something I should be ashamed of. I worked my ass of to make a good life for myself, and am sick of losing my hardearned money to people not willing to work for it themselves. I know those people aren’t all black are minorities, I amtired all the worthless people making all our lives meserable, no matter what color. I believe jokes are a good way to express ones self and can enjoy them too. Obama is yet to prove himself, but I think he will run our country to the ground. Only a balanced budget will be a long term solution and obama is only increasing our country debt. And about bush, although he wasn’t perfect his biggest mistake was the compromise with the democrats at the beginning of the war. Almost everyone in the world backed us when we went to war after 911. The problem was they didn’t understand what it would lead to, no one could. The initial problem was the number of troops sent. All the top aids and generals said let’s send a shitload and get the job done, but the democrats said we couldn’t sendthat many, andbush compromised. I personally believe we are better off staying and getting the job done so the middle east doesn’t fall in the hands of terrorist genocide again. If we help build Iraq, then there is another ally and we need all we can get in the middle east. I think Obama has a lot on his plate and I hope for everbodys sake he fixes things. Andlike I said we should cut all aid programs for minorities and that EVERYONE should be treated equally. And everyone should feel free to joke about Obama. People claiming racism all the time has only spread fear and too many people are afraid to voice their opinions because of it. Again I say GET OVER IT and start living like the rest of us.
I am not judging you Allen I said you are misinformed. There are people that never aspire to work as hard as you because they have never seen anyone else in there family or around them do any better. Its hard to imagine what you can have if you work hard when you’ve never seen anyone you know achieve anything. I know this first hand and I have seen a lot of my classmates from high school including myself go to college because of these programs. I don’t agree in just giving money away, but the program they had in my school placed a child with a mentor and they were able to see how successful these people were. When you go to someone’s beautiful house and ride in their nice car and realize you can have the same thing if you work hard then you do exactly that. I don’t think you should be ashamed of having a good life I just think you should try and look at those who don’t have such a good life and realize that in some cases its not necessarily their fault and some of these programs help a lot. Sometimes all people need is a little push and they get off their butts and contribute just as much as you and I do.
I agree with you, but I think you are too busy looking for the good in everybody. I also know I might be seeing the worst. BUT I know everybody has the potential, but there are just too many greedy worthless people who will continue sucking off of the rest of us. It’s hard to give people that push, when the government pays them to sit on their asses. While spending a lot of time in the Law Enforcement field, I see what is what, and know these people’s mentality. They have zero work ethics. A Work ethic is a set of values based on hard work and diligence. It is also a belief in the moral benefit of work and its ability to enhance character. These people don’t have this, AT ALL, and we are merely enabling the stupidity. I know they can’t be forced to change, but WE shouldn’t be forced to permit it.
Yeah I know I’ve met a few people like that before, but still no matter what we do those types of people will never cease to exist. I’ve always thought that just because their are people who don’t contribute to society doesn’t mean we should just not give a helping hand to anyone. Those who really would use any given opportunity to better themselves wouldn’t get the chance to. For example, if we just say lets not give anyone food stamps becuase everyone should work then then those who are cheating the system wouldn’t be able to any longer. On the other hand, a single mother with a part time job trying to raise her kids would suffer greatly and so would her kids. I guess when it comes down to it I do understand and respect your point of view, but I have too big of a heart to agree. Anyways, back to the joking about race…it’s not a big deal if its all done in fun. Watch this video its pretty funny.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1469643/what_if_obama_was_ghetto/
lol this one is funny too =]
http://vodpod.com/watch/1119559-hilarious-barack-obama-and-the-kkk-funny
Blessed are they who find Obama funny, for they shall never cease to be entertained.
EVERYONE should feel free to joke about Obama and anybody else they want to. People claiming racism all the time has only spread fear and too many people are afraid to voice their opinions because of it. Again I say GET OVER IT and start living like the rest of us
By the way HEIDI, I said cut programs for minorities, they could still get regular aid (even though we don’t need that. Welfare was made to get us out of a depression not to be abused and robbing us.) I think making programs aimed at aiding only certain races is a joke. NO ONE should get favored, well maybe the HARD WORKING legal Americans, but what happened to ALL men created equal? They should suck it up and live like everybody else, not special treatment because of their race
Who cares what color or what race or whatever in the Hell he is!!! In less than 100 days he has done more damage to the US than 17 Bush terms!! He came and spoke at my school back in 2003, in Chicago….I had to take in a finance lecture and he was a guest speaker. I knew THEN long before anybody even knew the name OBAMA that this guy made Michael Moore and Barbera Streisand look like Rush Limbaugh!!! He is a result of 8 horrible years of Bush!!! HOPE AND CHANGE<<>>!!! Well BEND OVER CAUSE HERE IT COMES!!! I am a life long Democrat and proud of it!! This man is a SOCIALIST!!
I think it all goes back to history. If you think about it not everyone was equal in the past, so these programs are to make up fpr it. For example a black guy, who’s ancestors could only have a limited type of job, probably has it harder than a white man who’s ancestors were company owners. There’s a lot of people out there who had it way easier because of their parents and ancestors’ past accomplishments. This was not the same for minorities back in the day, so maybe thats why these programs were put in effect.
I didn’t vote for this man and I don’t believe he is the one, bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia a BIG NONO. NO PRESIDENT has ever done that, this man has Muslim roots. You mean to tell me we take a guy out Named Hussein and Put one in office here. WTF I have to stair at his face on shirts. Next White president we have I am putting him on a shirt.
here is a joke everyone will love
Q: Why doesnt obama joke about himself?
A: Because it would be racist
Kurt first of all don’t you want world peace and second of all there has been nothing but white presidents, so give the guy a break.
Hey FUCK world peace! Violence has worked out pretty well for the last couple thousand years. World peace will never happen because there will always be Radical Religious nuts who want to destroy someone else aka THE INFIDEL. The Koran says “…make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” Yeah real great. And yes I know the BIble has it’s share of violence, but it doesn’t tell us that it is our holy duty to cut of the heads of those who disbelieve. It actually says God loves us all and we should too. I know a lot of people think this is a load of crap, but I just want to show Islam IS NOT A PEACEFUL RELIGION.
And second of all I don’t think race should matter, only qualification should for president. And I think Hussein Obama wasn’t the best choice he HAS ZERO experience compared to MCCAIN and HEY we are at War so should we have MRS> FUCKIN CONGENIALTY as president or a decorated and proven war hero. HELLO? But we have Obama now and I hope he doesn’t lead us to destruction, so good luck to him.
MCCAIN is too old to lead us anywhere. He thinks the way people did in the past. We need a president who will take action and that is exactly what Obama is doing. Finally we have a president who cares about his people. He’s like a new and improved Bill Clinton. Anyways, like Chris Rock said how can you make plans for the future when you ain’t gonna be in it? He’s old…lol I think its time for MCCAIN jokes.
YO Heidi
There won’t EVER be world peace, not because I want it but because there are to many Religions that believe certain things and we can’t get past that. I Made that statement because it is a JOKE to have face on Plates Shirts etc. UNLESS. you are a founding father Lincoln or JFK. obama is no JFK he was only touted as the savior 1. Because Race 2. Because Democrat . The ONLY SAVIOR is JESUS CHRIST
Well it does seem that there will never be world peace, but I have faith that there will be world peace one day. I am not black, but I can see why Obama’s face is everywhere. With him being president it gives hope everywhere that one day people will forget about race and color and just see everyone equally. Because of racism and hatred against different types of people and their beliefs is why there is no world peace. I don’t think its because he’s democrat either, I think its because he seems to care about the American people and our recent president didn’t seem to care very much about us at all. One thing that I do agree with you on is that Jesus is our only savior. Amen to THAT!
The whole thing about Obama having a “Christ complex” was due to fox news and his own joking around. Also there won’t be any world peace for a long time because of every major group’s differences. But i’ll tell you won’t help world peace. it’s those that try and continue racism by calling me a racist “a white dude that’s been known to make jokes about all races, creeds, and religions, especially his own) and because of 100% intolerance to other people’s ideas on any subject no matter how right or how wrong. For example people have sent me mail telling me how intolerant and evil i am without hearing my reasons…please tell me someone picks up on THAT irony.
I agree with you james I have been guilty of it, but as long as blacks put us down too I don’t see racism ending.
loool, this is funny!!!!
HEIDI THE ONLY REASON PEOPLE HAVEN”T FORGOTTEN ABOUT RACE AND COLOR IS BECAUSE THE BLACKS AND MINORITIES WON’T STOP BITCHIN ABOUT IT!!!!!! And there won’t won’t be world peace because they are just pissing the rest of us off!
Well I do admit that I have had a lot of friends who pull out the race card a lot. With that being said there’s also just a lot of racism out there because of US history. I lived my whole life in New Jersey and up north there’s not a lot of racism because there’s so many different colors and races that it would be kind of ridiculous to be racist. Now that I’m living in the south I realized just how racist people really are. I’m hispanic, but I have white skin and black people here are always saying racist comments about me white girl this and white girl that. White people are always saying mexican this and mexican that. Its not only minorities who pull out the race card though, I have a few white friends who do it just as much. I think the day will come where nobody will be 100% anything. The world is going to be so mixed that if you’re a racist then you basically don’t like yourself. That will be the day that racism will cease to exist.
Allen,
this is in the bible
Deuteronomy 17
17:2 If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
the bible clearly says to kill non-beleivers, so dont ignore ur religion while bashing others!
I Give Barrack Obama 2 Years To Live.
Mr.Snow melt away already
ashleigh you are taking those verses out of context
I think that the only reason Obama is president is because people wanted to see the US have their first black president. No one really cared what he believed in and all black people seen was someone of their race going to be president and they voted for him i bet half of the black people who voted for Obama have no idea what he is about. There is songs, shirts, and everything out there talking about Obama and this big change he has…where is it? I’ve seen nothing that he has done. And to be honest I dont think that he is ever going to. It was a big popularity contest and he won because he is black. And the world is not going to have peace when everyone has their own opinion. As for having a president who is atheist muslim or whatever he may be, the only way out of this world is through Jesus Christ and if you dont have him you or not going to get very far. Someone leading this country that is not a believer is a bad example for the U.S. and if people dont change their ways their going to hell plain and simple.
UH, DODO ashleigh YOU ARE AN IDIOT. God is telling us to punish the wicked and you leftthat out. in the next verses he tells us we must only stone the wicked if there are witnesses to their deeds. And that if there isn’t enough evidence to take it to the priests and judge who will make a decsion according to the laws of the time, and to follow those laws. It goes on to saw those that don’t listen to the law will be punished. SO YOU WERE WAY OFF. try again 🙂
miss1028, YOU ARE AWESOME!
Heya there will never be equality until we take away all the extras we give to minorities like indians, balcks, mexicans, or whoever. If you tried to start an all white organization you would be called rasicts trying to bring back segregation. But yet it is okay to have all indian, all black, or all hispanic groups. SEE SEGREGATION NEVER LEFT. It was just truned on the whites. The only reason there will always be rasicm is because we will always be forced to provide these extra’s that aren’t open to whites.
miss1028 Obama has brought change an its a shame that so many people fail to see that. People become blinded by either their racist ways or by their political parties and don’t realize that our president is doing so much good for all of America and the world. If he wasn’t making such a great change to America then we would still have every country hating America like we did when our last president was around. Thank GOD finally someone stepped up to the plate who actually is very knowledgeable and has a caring heart for his people. I voted for Obama not because I’m black, because I’m not, but because I read about everything he would do as president and I saw that most of the things he promised were things he was already working on before running for president. Maybe you should read the news, keep up with current events and research Obama some more then maybe you can say something that is not just your opinion, but an actual fact. Some people are never pleased.
Allen those extras were given to whites for many years when minorities were not given anything at all let alone extras. America used to belong to the Indians and their land was taken from them and you don’t think they deserve extra help? Blacks were slaves and worked for free. They had the worst schools and could not receive a proper education and you don’t think they should get any extra help? Mexicans were stripped from their land where they had to give up their homes and you don’t think they should get any help? Maybe it’s someone else’s turn don’t you think? Maybe when things even out and there are similar amounts of minorities making the big bucks then these “extras” won’t be needed. When that happens there will be minorities who can afford to pay for their children’s college education, or pay for a tutor when their child has difficulty learning, or pay enough taxes so that their schools can have a textbook for every child. The school I went to had like 10 math textbooks and there were thirty of us so we had to share and couldn’t take the books home to study. There is a reason behind these “extras” as you call them. There are just a lot of people who talk without knowing and there are some things that you learn through experience. When you live in a middle class town and everything is fine and dandy it’s very easy to criticize the less fortunate.
The OLD TESTAMENT quote clearly points out the difference between Christians and Muslums, we live in the NEW TESTAMENT “let him who is without sin cast the first stone” they are still shouting KILL THE INFADELS.
I just think that we should always teat others EXACTLY the way they treat us.
Our (God help us) president is so nieve he would try pet a rabbid dog, just be nice to him and I am sure he will be nice back.
Heidi this is for you.
The Hoppie called the Navaho head bashers, because they bashed the heads of captives in, American Indians conqured their neighbors and enslaved them,
Ethiopia (black africans) delt in slavery for centuries and continued long after america outlawed slavery. My Irish ancestors came over during the civil war and were drafted into the Union Army, if you want to know how easy this whities ancestors had it watch “out of Irland” we never owned a slave and were forced to fight and die to free a people we did not know. Sorry but I have a hard time feeling guilty….. WE ALL NEED TO GET OVER IT ALL OF GODS CHILDREN HAVE SINED AND WE ARE ALL EQUAL.
hello guys. Heidi, i agree with everything you say one hundred percent. i also believe that one day we will reach a point where world peace is upon us. i dont know who said it, but somebody once said “When the power of love is greater than the love of power, then the world will know peace.” I believe that one day we will all grow up, and realize we are all equals, and then we will live in peace. race wont matter then. && yes, barack obama is a great man and he is doing great things with our country. a helluva lot better than bush. i believe that behind him we will find all we need to accomplish peace.
I’m just intreseted on how Heidi and Danielle feel about individual freedoms and the bill of rights.
Heidi, and now danielle too i guess, im conservative republican. i did a ton research on this past election and sided with McCain, and i’d like to know just what you mean by other countries hating america before obama. first of all, do you know how many times we’ve saved other countries butts? can we say WW2 anyone? and you didn’t specify what other ‘change’ obama has brought to this country that doesn’t involve hardworking americans paying for idiots who bought houses they couldn’t afford’s taxes? the guy hadn’t even been in congress for 200 days when he was elected! COME ON!!! OPEN YOUR EYES TO SEE PAST HIS RACE!!!
Emily,
I mean exactly what I said. Countries hated us and now Obama is working hard for world peace. (Read the news and you will know what I’m talking about) He’s fought hard for many middle class and poor families, but I guess you don’t fit into that category since you seem to have no clue when it comes to Obama and everything he’s done. Also, it seems you are the one who is not able to see past his race since you are speaking without knowledge. Here’s a link to wikipedia so that you can learn that our president was an Illinois senator from 1997-2004 and then after that he was a junior US senator for 3 additional years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama It’s very sad to see how people are blinded by hatred and fail to see when someone does great things.
Cale,
I do understand that everyone had it tough in America, but there was segregation where minorities (not only blacks) had poor schooling and whites received a better education. Which is why I feel like whites did have a headstart. I for one do not want any extra help. I am very independent and do not need these extras, but I still think its not fair to say they shouldn’t exist unless you have experienced living in the ghetto. If you have lived in a nice middle class neighborhood growing up, then good for you, but that doesn’t mean everyone had it as good as you did. Sometimes it takes thinking about someone other than yourself to understand where I’m coming from.
Also on being a conservative republican here is my response:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2c7ZZNcWsA
Great Things I don’t really see the great things as for the economy itis slowly getting there but not by OBUMMER. N Korea isn’t afraid of US and Neither is Iran, you CANNOT sit down and have diplomatic discussions with Them, it WON”T WORK. As for invoke black struggles GET OVER it. Most of the ones that want to do right THEY DO. but THERE ARE far more that just want a free ride.
HEIDI – Obama needs helps, all he does is take my money, the rich mans money. If he could (and might be able to) He’ll take away my guns – Making me 1. Not able to go huntin 2. Not able to go huntin at night. AND 3. Have me at my knees when the muslims come in to raid our country when he gives em’ the key
Lol Clay there are more important things to talk about than hunting! Also Obama is Christian. There were fake pictures of him dressed as a muslim on the internet to cause fear in voters, but they were concluded to be fakes. I will admit though that I do not agree with him taking our guns away. I am planning to buy my boyfriend one soon.
Kurt…WOW
Heidi you’re stupid. And the rest are too religious. Believing in a magical invisble being is retarded. There will never be world peace. Obama got elected on stupid white guilt and ACORN cheats. Instead of fearing us like the world should fear the USA Obama will make the world believe USA is its bitch. Until the next Republican is elected into office. Oh and Pelosi is Satans mother, if I believed in a magical invisible bad being.
As I do agree with Jyyro on Some points Believing in something or having Faith is a good thing, If you are a Atheist that is fine my friend, as I said earlier Blacks need to Get over 200 years ago, not only to I think this but so does BILL COSBY, he thinks as I do start getting out there get a job, take care of your kids STOP playing Victim. I am Disabled I DON”T play victim, I did when younger but NOT NOW. Do I still believe Obama was elected partly on race yes, but mostly because he told people what they wanted to hear. Again will there be world Peace not likely to many different beliefs.
you want to know why we cant make jokes about dictator obama… read your NOTE: there is no free speech its all about specialization for minority groups.
Freedom is not free as long as malbama is in office. And btw yeah jokes are all ok if they arent used to be offensive to someone in a serious manner
This whole crap about Obama?? really hiedi you need to look at reality hun… yes he is black great its not wrong to have a black p[resident the thing that i wrong is that he is a complete IDIOT! He can;t make a speech without screwing it up and he has no idea what he is talking about when he does make a speech he is not helping our country he is hurting it.. all this crap about minorities making off better bullshit.. no one owes nyone anything.. and i hate to say it but the people on wlefare are usually driving aroun in brand new cars because they dont spend the money on things they or thier child nees they spend it on stupid shit..(not saying all do) Obama is an idiot, here is another reason why.. pretty soon every milatray branch in our country is going to be pissed at him because he already took insurance away from the National Guard ( they have to buy thier own insurance.. Reall?? people that fight for us?) and hes trying to get it passed for all other branches as well.. thats completly IDIODIC and IGNORANT.. Obama is an idiot… END OF STORY it has nothing to do with his race just his MIND.
Hazeleyes,
I don’t usually reply to people who call Obama an idiot yet they can’t manage to spell correctly at all, but I think in this case it is necessary. What you are saying is completely wrong. Here is a link that will tell the truth:
http://eriqalan.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/24/2592239-obama-drops-vet-insurance-plan
If after reading this you still come up with the same conclusion then maybe you just are not very good at understanding what you read. Obama is very intelligent and educated, so maybe the reason you don’t understand him is because there is something wrong with your mind.
P.S. Obama gives excellent speeches which is why there is even a website to help people become as good of a spokesman as Obama. (Stop drinking the haterad)
http://www.speaklikebarack.com
Heidi
Now why would I want to speak like Obama THERE are plenty of excellent speakers out there. I am sorry but having to rely in a teleprompter all the time is not a good speaker. Ronald Reagan was a Excellent speaker. Oh you mean we can’t not like Obama What is AMERICA coming too.
You can dislike him if you’d want. I have never said that no one can dislike him. I just think that when you say something you should know what you’re talking about, which is why I correct those who are misinformed. If you were pleased with our president and saw that someone posted incorrect information wouldn’t you let everyone know the truth? If you’re going to hate the guy then hate him for things that he is really doing, not lies. Ronald Reagan was a wonderful speaker, but Obama is not bad himself. What I like about Obama is that even when asked heated questions he manages to keep his cool. Oh and I never put the website up to force people to speak like Obama; I was simply proving a point. =]
Heidi, its bc of people like you that this countries falling apart.
Why is that Kobe? Is it because I’m not selfish and I care about other people other than myself? No this country is falling apart because of people like YOU!!!
P.S. It is spelled: Country’s, countries is plural.
why is kobe so selfish I thimk that is rude
Heidi bc people like you want to be taken care of. Me and Kurt work hard for our money, and dont want the government stealing it from us. And giving it to bums. This is a dog eat dog world not some imaginary land that you wish of, where everyone loves everyone.
For your information I have worked and supported myself since I was sixteen. I don’t not want to be taken care of by anyone. The only difference I see is that I am a good person who thinks about other people and you are a selfish jerk. It’s not an imaginary land, it’s a land without people like you in it.
Okay then you can give your money to the lazy and I will keep mine.
Deal
Heidi- i understand your point about minorities needing help. But because guys in the past that i dont know, that im not related to, were in power, i gotta suffer because im the same race as them? I was born a poor white male. Still am. Single dad. High school grad. Work 40+ hours. And barely get by because there’s no programs for single white dads. But there’s programs for moms and minorities. People who got by with C avg in school and are less qualified get better jobs and get into college to fill quotas.
I worked my butt off to have opportunity. Then when i get out in the world, thinking i have a chance, society says “Sorry. Cant help ya. You gotta work even harder.” If anyone, ANYONE, has better grades/qualifications than me, then by all means, accept them. They obviously worked harder than i did for it. They deserve the chance. But now if there’s a scenario where i just happen to be better qualified, if whoever hasnt met a racial quota, they take someone not as qualified as myself based on race.
And something like that is okay? That’s still favoring one race over another. People classify it as “reverse discrimination” and think its okay. What people dont realize: “reverse discrimination” is still discrimination and it needs to be stopped. Everything for education and employment should be based on overall qualification. Not race. No matter what race is favored or frowned upon. Im in the same boat minorities have been in. But nowadays that boat is sinking. They get help. I have to swim. Is that fair?
I don’t think thats fair at all, but I will say that this is something that has happened to me as well. I went for a job interview and so did a good friend of mine and because she was white she got the job. She had no experience and I was way more qualified than she was, but she still got hired so this can go both ways. Is it fair? Of course not. I will say though that there are programs out there to help everyone, not only minorities. So if you are in a very bad situation you should research for any programs available to you. Thats the great thing about America, even though there are those who only think about themselves, there are also selfless individuals willing to lend a helping hand.
Have been researching. And applying. Denied. And selfless individuals? Where? I havent met them. Part of the reason im in this situation was helping others. To a fault. I give and give. Helping those who need it. For years i never asked for anything in return. Until now. Because its not only about me. Now i have to take care of my son. Just took a 2nd job, potentially a 3rd shortly because im busting my ass extra hard because i have no help. Now i hardly spend time with my own son, but i have no choice.
HEIDI:
“Thats the great thing about America, even though there are those who only think about themselves, there are also selfless individuals willing to lend a helping hand.”
Exactly. Individuals and private organizations helping others as they see fit. Me using my money to contribute as I see fit.
NOT the government taking my money and distributing it as THEY see fit.
Ice- I totally understand you because I am the same way, but there are programs that can help you. I applied to some programs when I was raising my younger brother and sister because I didn’t make enough to support the three of us. When I lived in New Jersey I applied for Housing, but by the time they approved me I already moved from the state, so I never got any help either. Here are some links to things available to you. I don’t know how old your child is, but you could get free daycare for you to work and health insurance for your son. Here are the links and I will look for more, but also there could be programs available to you depending on which state you live in. My advice to you is keep trying so that you can have that extra time with your child.
Sorry I forgot the the links =]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_8_(housing)
http://www.hhs.gov/children/index.html
Dave,
Good point! I can’t completely agree with you though because there are not a lot of people who actually do anything to help others, they only care for their own well-being. That being said I still partially agree with you, but I will say this….isn’t it terrible that there are so many people who are fine with their money being spent on a war that is still killing so many of our people as well as all the Iraqis being killed, yet they are upset about the government spending their money to actually do some good? For our own people??? Some of us have our priorities are all screwed up.
Heidi
As Much as I would like to see the Country get back on its feet I feel that The PEOPLE not the government will have to ultimately do. The so called Messiah is adding more and more to the deficit. The Only MESSIAH I know of is Jesus Christ, besides I am tired of him interrupting my shows. To me he is just a glorified Celebrity that happens to be a Democrat.
Our last president greatly increased our deficit as well and not for a good cause.
hmm. I am just reading about this and I read over all these comments. I have to say that I agree with Heidi. And btw giving money to the poor is no problem at all. when I say poor I mean the people who lost everything because of some tragic event and need a boost up to get it back. When i say poor i don’t mean the people who just sit on the side of the street and beg for money cause they don’t want to work. Like the movie pursuit of happyness with will smith. People like that, who are in debt because they made a wrong business move or lost everything in a fire, i will give money to, as they are trying to earn it back. But that’s just what I think. and kobe, you do sound like a selfish jerk. it may be a dog eat dog world but if it was nothing but that we’d all be dead.
Yay Dillon! Finally someone who agrees with me =] I was starting to loose faith in humanity =[
I am bout tired of hearing all the hoopla over Obama first of all he is a POLITICIAN they say anything to get elected. He is not the messiah he is not THE BEST EVER. he fails on foreign policy he wants to sit down with Ahmadinejad. Helping the poor isn’t bad but having the government in control of every little thing is. I knew it was going to happen though he had a charisma like Bill Clinton in a way. I am tired of seeing is face everywhere like he is Jesus.
These jokes just are not that funny
I have to agree with Kobe: If I worked hard for my own money, WHY SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT HAVE THE RIGHT TO GIVE IT AWAY? I agree, those who are truly struggling to stay alive after a tragic event deserve it, but PEOPLE MAKE LIVINGS OFF OF HAVING KIDS AND WELFARE. HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE?
Why have we made it possible? Why can’t we have institutions that can pick out the good guys, and ban bad guys like the above? They won’t spend that money on anything worthwhile. The good guys will at least try. I want to decide who gets my money. If octomom was being paid by the gov’t, and stealing my money to support her stupidity, I’d have to leave this country, as I already am seriously considering.
Wow, are all of you so ignorant? You are all not special cases, military members are getting hit hard too. Its not only civilians getting raped by the economy, we all live and breath in the same world so we are all getting the same treatment, if you do not like how things are here in America and how you are being treated, why dont you research how people are being treated in other countries. Its a lot worse on them and they work a hell of a lot harder than people in America, and on top of all of that at least we have a government that does do something to help all of you, we give civilians jobs as DoD employees, may all of you should quit bitching and complaining and go to job fairs and what not, get something that is called a head hunter and put them to work to find you work. Jobs for less than qualified people are out there you just cant sit around and not look or at least have someone else look for you. Lastly, if all else fails, join the military. The military is not as bad as all of you are fooled to believe. I want all of you to know, I was in the same boat as you and I am not saying this just to be a hipocritical dick, I got out of high school just like all of you, went to college got 2 degrees, tried to get a job and all rejections, I didnt give up though I said well since the civilians world just seems to be corupt as hell since the recession I will join the military. And now I am here getting paid to do my job and play on a computer. Just think things through before you put your life story somewhere you cant take it back from and realize that its nothing but a bunch of complaining and a lot of not doing anything about it.
I hope you all realise, the military was put in place to help the people right? Its to serve and protect the United States of America, in meaning the Government keeps you safe, so they can do what they want with the money they get from ALL of us with a legal residency, and yes military members pay those taxes too, if you live in a place that requires state taxes paid, but we still regardless pay for our federal taxes. Last thing though, if there was no welfare dont you think those people would be going after what other people are working hard to get? Think about that, its just a way to keep those thieving bastards from stealing from all of hard working people. Dont misunderstand though, they still do, but still its not as bad as it could be. Just think about all of this.
Barrack Obama was addressing a town hall meeting when a elderly man grabed his chest, gasped and fell to the flool.
Obama exclamed, quick somebody call the health Czar we have to find out what to do.
Ladys and Gentlemen, do you want to know what made our country great.
Men and Women came from all over the world to excape big government control. There was no welfare, health care or a garentee that you wold not die. Just a guarentee that you would be free. The more you get the less free you will be. As for me all I want is for the government to get out of the way and start obeying the constitution. Theres something in there about any right not speciticly given to the federal government will be a states right. I must have missed the part about welfare, helthcare, enviromental control. Well what did those ignorent founding fathers know? They had not even heard of Carl Marx.
Putting stupid people in college does not make them smart.
I agree with John on that. That is very true, as someone said “can’t fix stupid” thats pretty much how it is in this world just cause you have a degree does not mean you are smart and it does not mean you are guaranteed a job. This world may have been founded to be “free” but truth be told, the United States was not founded right away. History has specifically stated that the colony placed on the coast where Georgia is now was intended to be a way for the British people to rid themselves of the inmates that were steadily filling their jails. So yea this place was really “founded” for a different purpose, and being “free” meant to be out from under the British Parliment. So get your ducks in a row and think about how our “United States” became the place we know.
Hear, hear, Caleb!
Austrailia was founded as a penal coloney, America was not. However Austrailia is a great example of how freedom and responsobility can change people. Being taken care off is for children grown up’s prefer to take care of themselfs. Thanks Obama but I am not a Boy.
NOBAMA!!!!
Do you know why Obama watches his weight? If he weighed any more he couldent walk on water.
How many liberals sorry progressives does it take to change a light bulb?
None they prefer to stay in the dark.
Alright here it is. I am not a rich person. But I work off my butt in school so I can get a good job and have lots of money. These other lazy people don’t want to study or try even. So why should I have to give them my money? It’s mine. I worked hard for it. If they had tried and wanted it, then they could’ve succeeded too. But they didn’t want to. And they won’t get my money.
Exactly my sentiments, Peter. It’s not like EVERYBODY on the street is there because their company did badly and they got laid off. Granted, they need help.
However, there are those who don’t even try. They expect America’s citizens to care for them and their baby with welfare, and feel they are OWED welfare for existing.
I for one am for stricter welfare qualifications (Example: Have you even TRIED to get a job in the last two years?). I’d like to see what would happen if welfare was suddenly discontinued for those who haven’t earned it…
President Obama was giving a speech at a small Texas town and he keept swatting at a pesky fly. A cowboy in the audience said Mr. President we call those circle flys cause they circle around a horses ass. President Obama said are you calling me a horses ass? The cowboy said no sir I’am just saying flys are hard to fool.
Were you offended by this joke? Were you offended when it was told on President Bush. I can honnestly say I laughed both times. Altho I think it fits bette this time around.
Peter you are right on. Our constitution guarintees the pursuit of happiness not a free anything.
One thing to say…
F**ck America
i heard this joke it goes
walmart is selling barack obama oraments so now whites can legally hang blacks IT IS SO WRONG I KNOW
chuck likes it in the pooper
hey chuck
ello govna have u any eggs
bag balls
Hidi, Please stop hating Minorities. Stop saying that they need help and can’t do it on their own!! For the Love of God…Please give them the power of Education and ability, if all you do is hand out then they will NEVER feel like they can do it by themselves. I know this feeling all to well. I am white, but I am Hard of hearing…I went to a VERY Liberal high School, They did what Liberals do best…Make you feel..Worthless. They told me that I would NEVER make it on my own because I was hard of hearing…so they put me in Special Ed, They gave me the Easy test’s, they NEVER allowed me to do a report on my own and yet…I still did really bad in school. YES I DO BLAME THEM. Here is why: While going through all of this, I NEVER did my homework nor did I ever study for a test, and I NEVER paid attention in school. One day my Science Teacher, came to me and pulled me aside (Made me late for my next class lol) And he said… “K, you have to stop, you can not let those idiots tell you othat you can’t do it. I have been watching you, you are doing so well in my class, you can do it without them. Try it, stody for all your test’s and tell them you want to take the samer test As everyone else. Do what they all do. You’ll see..YOU CAN DO IT.” So I did. YOu know what? Being told to make it on my own..I did well..VERY well. I also got my self Pride BACK!! Because I didn’t take the hand out I have become the Strong person I am today. I now see that all along..they hated me because I was Different and they didn’t know how to handle it!! Soooo give them WORK Ethic..not my hard Earned MONEY!!
Hello there crazy democrats. Boy do I have a mission for you. I, as you can tell already, am a strong willed conservative Republican. Yes, I love George Bush. Yes, I think marriage is between a man and a women. Yada, yada, yada. So here’s my situation. I’m a freshmen in high school, and I’m in the process of writing a research paper. The topic is liberal bias in the media. I already know that it is real, factual, scientifically proven, and undoubtedly verifiable. But, I was told by my raging liberal of a teacher, (of course, aren’t all teachers now a days), that I need to ‘present the other side of the argument’ in my introduction. So I’ve got my information, now I need yours. DEAR DEMOCRATS: Do you think that the media tends to have a liberal preconception/ If so, why? If not, how do you defend that? Thanks everybody! Fyi, paper is due tommorrow. HURRY! (:
Emily sweet Emily GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. I am a teacher a CONSERVATIVE, my wife says my politics are a little right of John Wayne ( if you know who that is) and I sponsor the Young Conservatives club at my High School. I do not assume that you are uninformed and nieve somply because you are in high school, please do not put teachers in a box. In point of fact we are pupets and the school board, thats the moms and dads, pull are strings and tell us what to teach. If you ACTUALLY want to make a statement start a young conservatives club, WORK HARD
Important tip get JOHN GLENS BOOK “Arguing with Idiots” he addresses that and other issues and has reference documentation in the back of the book.
Emily sweet Emily GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT. I am a teacher and a CONSERVATIVE, my wife says my politics are a little right of John Wayne ( if you know who that is) and I sponsor the Young Conservatives club at my High School. I do not assume that you are uninformed and nieve simply because you are in high school, please do not put teachers in a box. In point of fact we are pupets and the school board, thats the moms and dads, pull our strings and tell us what to teach. If you ACTUALLY want to make a statement start a young conservatives club, WORK HARD put conservatives on the school board, then in the mayors office then the state senate and house. Work your way up. It is not a easy fight but nothing worth having is.
I just heard the Dems are changing their party symbol, wow!!
They are going to use the Watermellon because they are green on the outside and red on the inside and full of seedy characters.
I told a liberal friend that I did not understand what Obama ment when he said that passing the health care legislation was going to be the greatest deficet reduction legeslation ever passed. They told me thats why they elected Obama president they did not need to understand he will take care of it. That is a true story but it inspired a joke: How many liberals does it take to change a light bulb? NONE THEY PREFER TO STAY IN THE DARK…
I ‘m sorry to interupt but i just stumbled upon this page and i like what alot of yall are saying but in the same breath i completely disagree with a couple of people. It’s is truly good to hear that there are some bright intellegent people still left in America. After the election i was really worried about this new generation of Americans and the only thing scarrier than Obama being President is the majority of americans that elected him. That alone says alot about Americas and it’s the first time i’m alittle ashamed about being invloved with that classification. Now don’t get me wrong I love being an American but not this America. I truely fell in love with the old America under some of are great leaders like Teddy,Ike,Herbert and Dwight. Back when people were proad, unselfish, and hard working. I think Teddy put it best when he said “The down fall of America will be putting prosperity first, saftey first instead of duty first, the love of soft living, and the get rich quick scheme of living”. And the true problem of this great country is the American people allowing the goverment to tell us how we should be goverened. The goverment was in powered to do the exact opposite and through the past 60+ years this goverment of “ours” has chipped and pecked away from our rights. And this is not a demicratic or republican issue. We, as a whole, have allowed this to happen and the worrest part about it is…… How do we change it? No, I take that back how do we stop it, then how do we change it. I was once told when you find your self in a hole the very first thing you do is stop digging. And as a humble woking American I find my self thinking it can’t be done, this Goverment/Country is too great of a machine to just stop. I souldn’t say it can’t be done because i am a firm believer of acheiving anyhting but i think we are in one hell of long and buppy ride.
And just a Quick Hypothetical question.
What if the goverment comes out tomorrow and say there will be a raise of taxes for everyone across the board? How do we, as an American, protest that? Special if the majority of Americans don’t understand it, turn the other check, or simply don’t care enough to do anything. I know the answer to this: nothing, we do nothing and take like Americans have done the last 60 years.
And didn’t something like this just happen? Like the bail out, every person i have talk to about that bucket of crap shakes there heads in disbeleif and swears up and down the goverment should not have stepped in. I have not yet talk {in person} to a single soul that will argue the other way. And everyone knows it’s too late, we as Americans have no corrective action for this. Where are the elected goverment officals that work for the people? The officals who listen to the people, so they can do the job they all claim they will do if elected? Obama said it best ” It’s time for Change” exept i don’t make a 90 and keep going left i’m suggesting a 180 and go back to being strong,proud,empthtic people.
In regard to HR’S hypothetical question, to quote the police commenicer from “Young Frankinstine” , delivered in a funny german accent ” Stop! Wait! a riot is a horrable thind AND I THINK IT’S TIME WE HAD ONE!!!”
I am a half-American, half-Japanese, born and raised in Japan. I am a senior at a private high-school in Kobe who is about to attend Columbia University. And no, I’m not rich; I cannot afford to get into college without a full scholarship.
Hmm … where to begin … First of all, I’d like to say that I respect the opinions of some of you on this page. Notice that I said ‘some’ and not ‘all’.
Most importantly, I would like to address a special message to our friend, Emily:
Not only are you brainwashed (most likely by your parents and generally ignorant environment) but you do a good job of presenting yourself as a stuck-up bitch. First of all, anyone with any common sense, regardless of them being a Republican or Democrat, should know by now that Bush wasn’t all that great — and he was clueless to say the least. No, that is not an opinion, it should be a given fact by now.
Oh yeah, and bias in the Liberal Media? Are you serious? How about bias in Fox News? Fox News is the quintessence of biased media. Both liberals and conservatives are biased, but certainly the ‘liberal media’ should not be the subject of focus if one is to be talking about biased media.
Also, it seems like you do not know the difference between ‘strong willed’ and ‘being a b*tch’. One is the showing of strong determination and the other is well, being someone like you. Sure, I’m not exactly respectful myself, but like the perhaps over-passionate person that I am – I am intolerant towards the intolerant.
It is pathetic to think that you are superior to anyone, let alone a whole population. Well, I know that you’re only 15, probably going through PMS, and has never gone outside of the United States in a ‘non-vacation environment’.
Unfortunately, that does not cut off in the real world. Seriously, how you presented that brief yet narrow-minded comment makes me lose faith in the American youth. I hope to God that you represent only a small minority of America’s future.
To Mr. Douglas: I will not comment on your personal beliefs; it is yours to keep, and rightly so. However, I do not think you should be encouraging Emily. If anything, you should be cautioning her, as a teacher and a seeker of knowledge, about her narrow-minded intolerance.
Sorry to everyone if this commented got triple posted, it doesn’t show up on my screen so ….
Zen you are one ignorent, stupid hide from the truth IDIOT. The Obama administration condems Bust for releasing two count them two detainies back to Yemen, it’s that devil Bush. While preparing to release hundreads back to the same country, if you can not see the douable standard, ignoring past mistakes (yes I am objective enough to see that Bush made mistakes how about you and Osbama) and a blind disregard for the safety of American citizens then you need to check yourself into a mental institute for some serious help. As to who is Brain Washed try looking in the mirror. If you have the courage to look at the facts you may be able to break out of the lie, but it sounds to me like you would be happy to put on a swastika if it had a picture of Obama on it. You reminde me of a well educated liberal I know that I ask how Obama was going to cut 1/2 a trillion dollarrs for elderly benifits, add 50 million people and improve services to the elderly and reduce the deficit. His answer was “Thats why we elected him we have other things to worry about.” Yea I bet thats what they said about Hitler and Stalen to.
Just would like to say Zen is a complete idiot who needs to shut up so he can stop making a complete fool of himself for the whole world to see.
All I know is Obama isn’t the Chosen One as those faithful thought he was, I feel sorry for people who are easily misled both on the Democratic and Republican party. I am a registered Republican but I certainly don’t believe everything they say. I saw a segment on the Late news last night that said while Switzerland has universal health care it cost a lot to maintain. Nobody is perfect.
yeaahhh my bad I misread the question. how embarassing :S i was a little bit drunk though so excuse the ranting.
okay here is the whole story so sit back shut up and listen:
this whole problem started with Bill Clinton. he completely messed up the economy towards the end of his term. then when Bush was elected everyone started blaming it on him.and 9/11 happened during his term and he did a whole bunch about it. but did Bill Clinton do anything when the World Trade Center exploded. NO! he did nothing. and he messed up the economy.the only thing bad about Bush is he needs to stand up 4 himself I just wanted to point that out. Anyway When Obama got elected he said he was going to stop the war. and for SAYING he was gonna stop the war he got the Noble Peace Prize. So remember say u are going to make world peace and u will get the award. and he didn’t do ANYTHING he said so far.
P.S. I’m a republican as u may have guessed
P.S.S. I’d like to say that Zen is an idiot and Kurt is smart
The most frightening part of this Obama mess is that no matter how many times he is documented in a lie, no mater who he associates with, no matter who he appoints it is never his fault.
Some interresting examples The seceratary of Education who supported the presedent of MAMBLA (man boy association which advocates sex between underaged boys and grown men), a Czar who is taped stating that he is a Marxist, a member of his staff that states that her favorite philosopher is Mao and we just let him rationalize it away.
He never heard Reverend Wright preach hatred or say “God Dam America” and Bill Aires(not sure of the spelling) who stated that he only regreted not doing more in the 60’s(he was in the weatherman underground and they set off bombs, robbed banks and killed people) and in their 20 odd years of “aquantance” Obama either did not know or did not care enough to dissacociate himself from him. To paraphrase that saintly man reverend Write “Not god bless Obama God Dam Obama”. GO AND VOTE, MAN PHONE BANKS, DO BLOCK WALKS AND IF YOU CAN DONATE. If we do not stop this we will loose this country to a focused smalll minority of monsters.
I appreciate the comment, I just know how easy it is to be brain washed I was ALMOST by hearing obama speak. I can say that this is not the way we need to run our country but then again in all honesty as I said earlier nobody is perfect. This country was suppose to be states rights but as we grew as a nation that shrunk. Gee imagine that.
Kurt you are right on. States rights have been stolen by the Republicans and the Democrats. Until now it has been slow erosion and just maybe the progressives, nothing slow about their changes, are what we need to wake up. Nancy said that civil unrest was a patriotic right. Of course that was when progressives were demonstrating against Bush and violently I should add. While their numbers were small we should follow her advice and their example. With a couple million route patriots.
@ Heidi. I have to say I am impressed at your reasoning and your intent. I think that you truly want what is best for this country, and I think that you really believe Obama is the man to do it. Kudos for being one of the few liberals who I have actually heard some substance from.
I do need to say this however. I was raised in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and as “middle America” as that may sound I had friends there from several racial backgrounds, some of them first generation Americans. I also have a bi-racial daughter, there isn’t an ounce of racism in me, I don’t care about people’s religious background, their race, their skin, it will never define who that person is.
I would like to point out however that there is not one single American who doesn’t have a family past of racial adversity, and yes, I’m saying everyone got mistreated at one time or another. Let’s recount WWII. First off, I cannot even begin to describe how horrendous what happened to our dear Jewish friends was. Aside from that atrocity however, do you remember the internment camps, and no, I’m not talking about concentration camps, I am talking about the places in our country where people of Japanese, Italian, and German decent were forced to reside after being ripped from their homes, having their businesses and homes seized by the government (they didn’t get those back) and were labeled a national threat just because of their cultural heritage. My question for you is, what would that be called if we did that to the Muslim population now? My guess is that a good 60-70 years later that wouldn’t be tolerated, but it was then. My mother is first generation Italian. My question to you is; “do you think I deserve reparations or special treatment?” Can I tell you my response? No, I don’t. It didn’t happen to me and my life is what I make of it. We are adding fuel to the racial divide by showing favoritism. When I was a new, scared, single mother, only five years ago I had to swallow my pride and walk into Job and Family Services, which was not easy for me considering I have always been so independent. The woman at the desk kept trying to get me to say I was Hispanic (I am a dark skinned Italian) and I knew what she was getting at. There are programs geared specially towards certain races and not others. I had to tell her at least three times that I wasn’t Hispanic for her to get the hint that I wasn’t about to lie to get favoritism. I got the absolute minimum assistance, as I also held a job all through my pregnancy and after, my alarm was set for work when I woke up at 2 am after my water broke. I need you to justify to me how this is fairness? I am proud of the fact that I work hard, I wouldn’t have it any other way. Isn’t it racist to assume African Americans and Hispanics aren’t capable of doing what a 4’11” pregnant Italian can do? If I were them, and told that, I would be offended.
On another note, I certainly think Barack Obama has made an attempt at what he feels would be better for this country…..HOWEVER…..let’s question some of his logic. Someone’s oration abilities do not make them President material. One of the greatest orators in history was Adolf Hitler, and look where his speeches got this world!! Charisma and common sense are two different things, when you try to mimic a system that has failed over and over again (and yes, I’m speaking of Socialism) that doesn’t make someone a visionary, it makes them either seriously uninformed, or well, kinda stupid. Also, my counting may be off but he has been in office about a year now and we’ve already had four terrorist attempts on US soil, all can be connected to Al Quaida, and yet Obama doesn’t want to label these terrorist attacks. I say let’s quit kissing ass, and at the very least let people know we are not going to stand for another 9/11!! Yes, I am a conservative, and I don’t appreciate the prospect of my tax dollars going to fund abortions, which ultimately is a very real possibility. It is against my religious beliefs, but then again, I’m not a black atheist, so I’m just outta luck.
Savanah,
I feel that you are just angry because when you needed help you felt like no one helped you. You suffered so you want everyone to suffer, which is very sad. When I speak about minorities that includes you by the way. Blacks and Hispanics are not the only ones that benefit from the government and programs are targeted in helping minorities regardless of what specific race you belong to. Hispanics do not get special treatment, which I know for a fact, because my sister has two kids and she received the minimum. That statement was very ignorant. You speak about how hard you worked, yet you still got help. I think that’s kind of hypocritical of you. I have a conservative friend who held a job during her full pregnancy, never got ANY help, and has never once complained about it. It’s very amusing to me how you call the president stupid. Do you have any idea how to fix our economy? I don’t think so. Obama is not misinformed; he is simply trying to fix our economy with the help of economic experts and his advisors. Are you saying you have more knowledge than all of these professionals Obama is working with? He didn’t just wake up one morning and say I have an idea let’s go spend a bunch of money. About the terrorist attacks, Obama is working on making our country safer, but he’s not GOD. He can’t fix everything at once and I don’t think there is a living human being who can. About the abortions, if you want to impose your religious beliefs on someone you are obviously in the wrong country. Here we can believe what we want. Also, when you live in a country you have to pay your taxes because you are benefiting from everything the country has to offer, not so you can control where the money is spent. Last time I heard the government doesn’t tell us: well you guys pay your taxes, but you can only eat at McDonalds because we don’t like Burger King. Basically, just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it won’t happen. I don’t like the idea of abortion either, but those are my beliefs. Calling Obama a black atheist is another ignorant comment. Obama belongs to a christian church and has for years. Calling him a black atheist is not only a racist comment, but it further proves how much you are misinformed. Regardless of what people say, I have faith in our president and I know he will get us through this. To all the conservatives against Obama all I have to say is: Give the guy a chance to make a difference. He’s our president for GOD’s sake. You guys talk so bad about Obama sometimes I feel like this is a blog about how much we hate Al-Qaida. Aren’t we supposed to be on the same side?
Heidi,
You are another one of those lovely people just waiting to call someone a racist aren’t you? It seems to me that has been everyone’s defense who supports Obama. I don’t appreciate being called a racist because I believe he is an atheist, or because I referred to him as Black rather than African American, I believe that’s perfectly pc. Also, I don’t appreciate your obvious attempts to twist my words and insult me, if you bothered to notice I’ve not done that to you. I didn’t suffer, I worked hard like any other decent human being would, and I am proud of that. I don’t know what your friend did but two years away from getting my bachelor’s I was only able to get a minimum wage job. I never said I hated the president, I just am shocked that we elected a junior senator who no one even seemed to know about until he ran for office. I am shocked that we elected someone with such extremist viewpoints on how to change things. Sure, we need change, I believe we have for awhile, but change isn’t something you can pour a bunch of taxpayer money into and can make happen overnight. If you bothered to notice as well Heidi, I wasn’t trying to impart my religious beliefs on anyone, but I also don’t think it is right that my hard earned tax dollars go to fund something I don’t believe in, that I personally think is an atrocity. What about war? If someone doesn’t believe in war don’t you think they have the right to stand up and say, “you all can fund this if you believe in it but it is against my principals.” Let’s be real, obviously you have a very difficult time accepting the viewpoints of others because somehow they seem like a threat to you. I think it’s very poor logic to expect everyone to believe the way you do, and to call them a hateful word like a “racist” when they have a biracial daughter. In no way did I insult you or try to impart my beliefs on you, I was stating them. I do believe our president is an Atheist, and let’s get serious, NOT because he is black, that is ridiculous. I believe that someone who wants to fund third term abortion obviously believes that life and actions have no consequences, and that killing a child that would probably survive is okay as long as it’s the “mother’s choice”. I don’t believe any God in any religion would think that was right. Anyone can claim to be a religious person, anyone can go inside a building and sit for an hour, actions speak louder than words Heidi. If I shot a man on the street people would think I was a monster and I would be sent to prison, but to kill my own child, that’s okay because if he/she hasn’t poked their little head out yet it makes them less than human. Also, how is it hypocritical that I got help, did I say there was anything wrong with people receiving assistance? Last time I checked, nope. Yes, I get extremely angry at the fact that some DO get more help than others. The government is willing to pay more for schooling, housing, everything if you come from a “repressed minority”. Who is repressed in this country now? Last I checked we still have quotas that need met in companies and colleges for people of specific races. Heidi, can you honestly tell me that doesn’t make you mad? You don’t believe that that is furthering the racial divide? I certainly don’t agree with you, but I do think you’re fairly intelligent. Do you want to be a quota because you are Hispanic? My guess is that you would want to be appreciated on your own merits just like I do, not what background you came from. Let me put it to you this way, you are a person first before all else, science has proven that everyone’s DNA can be traced back to same woman in Africa. We were all cut from the same cloth so to speak. Now that we have established that, do you think that you deserve or need extra assistance in getting a job? Doesn’t the prospect of that offend you? It would offend me greatly. Isn’t your own mind, merit, and education enough? I am sick and tired of people pulling the race card when it comes to Obama, for heaven’s sake I am darker than him, get over it and think of a more intelligent rebuttle to an argument, maybe one not so assuming and hurtful. Not everyone is going to like Obama, he is a public figure and subject to scrutiny just like George W. Bush was and I can just imagine what you must have thought of him. You need to allow others to have their opinion without accusing them of either racism or elitism. It seems the only people who really care that he is black are the Liberals, hmmmm, who do you think is more racist? Any president has a lot to overcome, so unless you have never spoken out against someone higher in the ranks than you who you felt was making bad decisions, why don’t you read the statement you just wrote and add your own name as addressee.
Well well, I’ve stumbled on a whole gaggle of right winged nut jobs here haven’t I? The way you all scream outrage at this president while giving free pass to the last one is starting to make every point you make mute. The racist in this country are getting fewer in numbers but louder in their screams.
Savannah,
I actually don’t use the word racist freely. I just don’t understand why if you think our president is an atheist you have to include his race in your comment. You can him an atheist without the need of pointing out his racial background. Also, having a biracial daughter doesn’t exclude you from being racist automatically. I have not, in any way tried to insult you or twist your words. I have simply stated my thoughts on your comments. You say you have not insulted me, yet you have insulted me and everyone else who supports our president. By calling the president stupid you, not only challenge his intelligence, but the intelligence of his supporters as well. I am not saying you can not stand up for what you believe in, I simply saying that just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it won’t happen. The problem with making abortion illegal is that circumstances will arise where abortion may be needed, depending on how extreme your religious views are. For example read the article below:
http://www.lifenews.com/int1110.html
If abortion is made illegal then it might be impossible for someone to save their daughter’s life if something horrible like this happens to her. I am not a religious person, but I do believe in GOD and I don’t think GOD would want this little girl to die giving birth because she was raped. It’s very offensive to assume that just because your thoughts about abortion are not set in stone, you are an atheist. You criticize Betsy for the name calling yet you engage in the same exact thing. The way I think of the economy and the health crisis is like someone who has cancer and has never been treated. When they finally go see a doctor the cost of their treatment will be ridiculous. The economy and health insurance crisis are two cancers that have never been treated and will be expensive to fix. Yes I used to get angry when people used to push me into getting extra money for school, that I didn’t need, and things of that nature. Then, I realized that just because I don’t need it doesn’t mean everyone else doesn’t either. When I was discriminated against on the job was when I realized why these “quotas” existed. The funny thing about it is that I was discriminated against a Mexican woman who thought she was superior because she didn’t have any family in Mexico and all of her family lived in the US for over two generations. She was so racist that in her mind she believed she was white. The idea that I visit Puerto Rico and have family there for some reason made me less of a person in her eyes. Anyway, my point is that just because something doesn’t affect you doesn’t mean it isn’t needed. Rules are rules because at one point or another the government realized they were needed. I am not threatened by anyone’s thoughts I am simply stating my own. It seems like you don’t realize how your words are perceived by others. If you don’t want to be associated with racism then I would advise you to tone it down a little on the whole black thing. You can state your comments without pointing out someone’s racial background. I have never turned to belittling the person someone supports while in an argument, so that is why my statements are directly for you and not for me. Calling the president stupid is an ignorant and hurtful comment and no one will accept your views if you take that approach.
This is simply an unwinnable argument on both parts Heidi. In the same breath as telling me you don’t use the term racist freely, you called yet another person a racist. I’m sorry you have had to endure that, but guess what, so have I. I have been hated for being Roman Catholic (the KKK hates us) I have been discriminated against for my coloring, the shape of my nose, the texture of my hair, get over yourself, not everyone is going to like you, some people are stupid and think that they are superior for what reason I have no idea, I pass of those people as not worth my time or thought, and I suggest you do the same. Lets touch on the abortion subject a bit. Never once did I say it should be illegal, I bit my tongue on that, do I think it should, yes dear, it is murder. I do think however that my religious beliefs are being infringed upon when I am being forced to pay for something so heinous. Was it fair that Muhammad Ali was not made to go to war because of his pacifist Muslim beliefs? He was excluded because of his religious beliefs, what’s good for one is good for the other. I was forced out of my job and made to find another, which I did by the way, because I was pregnant from a man who happened to be black. I have been the direct target of that, and called names that would make your stomach curdle. If you happened to notice, and perhaps I should have explained it better, the last statement I made where I “need to tone it down on the black thing” was not out of racial bias, it was simply stating that from where I stand, I see the government catering to certain types of people, and not others. EVERYONE should be treated the same. Because of no other religious group, but those who simply don’t believe in any higher existence, they have wanted to take the very principals this country was made on out of the picture, including changing the Pledge of Allegience. So basically by saying the word God we are offending there belief in nothingness, that make a whole hell of a lot of sense don’t you think. Also, I have no problem with someone’s skin tone, that is just ridiculous and I resent anyone who does because THAT is ignorant. Sorry if you felt I put words too close together, but don’t sit there and tell me that some don’t get more consideration than others, it’s semantics and simply that, a racist statement is imparting that someone is of either lesser value or making an assumption about that person because of his/her racial background. It seems to me you don’t know what racism is. The fact that someone cannot say the word “black” because they aren’t black is kinda stupid, lord knows I’ve been called white, is that racist? Sorry you feel offended by my beliefs, but I guess that’s not going to change and no, I won’t tone it down. If people want to call me a racist when they have never even met me because of the way I misworded something, so be it, I know better and so does everyone who knows me. So, I have insulted you by calling Obama stupid? I said his way of going about things are stupid, and yes, I think he is pulling for a system that has no record of working. We learn from history, or we should. Sorry your delicate feeling were hurt because I think the president is less than capable of making an informed decision. When we meet I’ll buy you a ice cream cone, until then lets put our big girl panties on and quit whining that someone thinks the president is less than qualified. It’s childish, it’s ridiculous, and it’s commonplace for people to disagree. So I bid you good luck in all you do, you don’t believe how I do, that’s the beauty of this great nation, but please don’t try to censor my words because I have enough grace not to try to censor yours. I respect your beliefs, whether or not I think they are “right” or “informed” is another thing. I would hope you would have enough grace about you to respect mine. Thank you and have a nice day.
Savannah,
I was simply giving you some advice. I never said not to use the word black. I simply showed you why people who don’t know you might assume that you’re a racist. If that bothered you then I apologize as that was not my intent. I don’t use the word racist freely, the person whom I was referring to admitted to being a racist herself. You are obviously taking this discussion the wrong way. Everything I say is always based on facts, I love keeping myself informed and up to date. What I believe on the topics I read however, differ from what you believe. I am a person who loves heated debates. I like to understand the reasoning behind the way people think. I thought we were simply sharing our viewpoints, but it seems to me you are the one who has gotten your feelings hurt. Nonetheless, this conversation has turned sour, so good luck to you as well and if something I said bothered you I truly apologize.
lol @ big girl panties
No problem, my feeling aren’t hurt at all. Likewise for you dear. It is shocking if anything having lived the life I had to be called a racist, for sure. In my opinion I feel people have gotten so used to the concept of racism that one does need to be very careful of how they word things because people are all too assuming, and I think a lot of people feel that those who didn’t vote for Obama had some hang up on race. Some did, but for those of us who didn’t, many of us have been referred to as racist and that isn’t right. True story….my daughter’s great grandmother (Grandma Mary to me and her father) was very ill. She lived to see the day Obama took office. She died that evening after watching him take office. For all that she had been through in years far worse than ours, she lived to see that. I can understand the significance to many people, and unfortunately, the way our country has been and the way people have acted, it gave people hope because they needed it. I’m glad for those people who have received that hope. For me however, I see another politician with big plans, change is good, but extreme change can be scary to a lot of people. It scares me. More government control is frightening because although I have faith in our country, how can anyone expect one to have faith in our government after all it has done. Thank you as well, nice debate. Yeah, the big girl panties thing is classic, gotta love it. Peace
Savanah
Barack Obama is a lazy oaf who represents the other lazy oafs in this country who figure it is the job of the rest of us to support them. Obama hasn’t had a job that required a brain his entire life and now he thinks he is qualified to tell the rest of us what to do. We have a President that doesn’t have a clue about anything. As much as George Bush screwed up in his last two years trying to work with the Democrat no minds in Congress, yes, I kind of miss George, to answer the sign in Wyoming, Minnesota.
What I have observer is not conservatives using racial comments. It is the democrates pulling the race card everytime they want to distract us from the truth. It the politics of the left we are determined to stop. If that makes me a rciest then so be it.
go back to japan ZEN!
I’m from Suriname. Don’t know how but Suriname sure loves Obama. We don’t really know what’s going on out thier in the states. but almost every South-American country just loves him. It’s actually strange to see that people dislike him.
It’s easy for brainless people to love Obama. He’s as brainless as they are. Obama is a disaster for the country and probably the world.
Char let me explain it from a U.S position. We value our freedom above all else. We do not sell our freedom for food, or health care or anything else. In South America that is I understand a strange outlook. How else could Chaves become President for life? We believe in ourselves, if the government gets out of the way we prosper when it takes control our standard of living decreases. We have become the most pros pores nation in the world based on two simple principles: Freedom and free enterprise. In the words of two of our founding father “the government that governs least governs best” and “give me liberty or give me death”. None of them said give me health care or give me welfare.
Amen Caleb!!
Thanks Savanah
Char,
It’s because of politics. No one in America is forced to receive health care or welfare, so our freedom is not at stake like it was when Patrick Henry gave his speech. The democrats and republicans will always find some reason to hate eachother and there is nothing anyone can do to stop them.
wow… that joked sucked so much…. but the first of the 5 jokes was the best ^^
Heidi, just a couple of points: This bill would require the purchase of health care, it is true that you could choose not to use it, as long as you paid for it.
Second point: I will be required to help pay for other peoples health insurance.
Our basic difference is that I think you believe the federal govenment should have more control because they can do a better job, when I look at the programs they currently run most are a misserable failure. I believe in individual and state rights. Yes Heidi if your state wants this type of health care I say it is your right to have it, but it is not your right to make the rest of america pay for it.
Heidi
If you have ever Read the history of our Great Nation, you would see that it IS or was supposed to be founded on states rights. Our forefathers NEVER wanted big government.
Caleb,
I pay for many things I don’t like also. You’re not going to like everything your tax money goes to. That’s just life.
Kurt,
Actually, it was under the articles of confederation that we were under states rights. Under the constitution we have always had a strong federal government. Also, because of certain events like, Shay’s rebellion, is why the forefathers created a strong yet balanced federal government.
That would be the point of the whole debate though. We are citizens of this country, we are supposed to be the voice. Now with more government control we will have less say, and the executive and legislative branches will have more and more power. Not cool, whatever happened to a nation of the people, by the people and for the people? We’re at a standstill now where we cater to the people who, rather than look at the good of the nation and want what is best for everyone, to people who want what is best for themselves. Capitalism works, it’s a system where you reap what you sew. If you are motivated, go to school (which everyone can do with grants and loans) and/or work hard and climb your way just like everyone else who has made it, we create this free enterprise system where there is more competition between businesses, which creates more jobs, more money overall. When we take away that motivation and make things such as health insurance a right, we are destroying free enterprise and everything our economy has been built on. This isn’t the first time our economy has been in the dumpster, and it always comes back, it’s the natural order, like a pendulum that swings so far one way and then has to go back. Unfortunately, as many people who want to blame this person or that person for the way things are, we need to take a deep look at ourselves. People got greedy, lived well above their means, deep in debt, and weren’t able to pay for it. The person’s finances get ruined, if they had to file for bankruptcy then businesses lose out on their money, or if their property was foreclosed on. People want a quick fix, and I’m sorry, but there is no quick easy way out of it without further damage. Instant gratification has ruined our country. I mean come on, do your kids really need $100 dollar shoes? I have a friend ready to file for bankruptcy, and as much as I love her, I totally think it could have been avoided by living within her means. Imagine a crash diet to lose 20 lbs, it’s going to come right back on unless you change your way of life, same difference.
Savanah,
I agree with everything you said. I just am so angry with our health care system and I know something has to change. I, for one, have had health insurance for 4 years and have paid over $11,000 for having coverage. During these four years I have only went to the doctor for an annual check up and teeth cleaning. After thinking it over many times, I am finally deciding to drop my coverage. I am going to save my money in an account and be through with health insurance. Instead of paying some insurance company to rip me off, I’d rather drop my coverage and save my $55 a week on my own. I know it’s risky, but I feel like the insurance companies are screwing us over and I work hard for my money; I don’t just want to give it away.
Heidi,
Amen to that!! I totally understand as I no longer have coverage, and my medicines cost a pretty penny, it’s awfully frustrating. I always thought that they should put a cap on the amount they can charge for it. Actually, I think they need to seriously put a cap on medical expenses, they actually bill the insurance companies less than they do if you’re uninsured, because you know the insurance companies mostly negotiate more than anything, that’s where the real money is saved. They might charge $15,000 for an MRI, but say Anthem or whoever will only allow them to bill $900, and so then you pay 20 percent of that, so really the insurance hardly picked up anything. Medical care should be affordable. What’s with these $800 blood tests and $200 office visits for them to look at you and say, “oh, you have a sinus infection”. Hospitals and doctors aren’t what they were set out to be. They want to turn a profit like a business, then they should lower their prices and compete. I worked doing scheduling for seven orthopedists, and those people in the office are brutal!! It’s not about patient care, it’s about filling your schedule as full as possible, 5 minutes with the patient and then off to another. There was one older, more old fashioned doctor, and he took his time, and all these crazy women got on him. I personally had to quit, great pay, great benefits, but when someone is sick or hurt don’t treat them like you’re in the drive-thru window at McDonalds. I wonder if we had some doctors that would agree to that, the kind that really care about their fellow man, we could boycott everyone else, still get care, and maybe hammer down the prices. You have to think, those doctor’s write off so much each year because well meaning people can’t afford to pay it. That’s just another way greed is killing our country.
Heidi, everyting is a matter of balance. The differecnce between Stalens Sovied Union was not that the Russion people had no say it was how much say thay had. To argue that there is no difference between where Obama wants our nation to be and where the people of this countruy want it to be is about as logical as agruing that their would be no diference if we just tosed out the constitution and became a oligarci ruled by Obama, Polocie and Reed not just no Heidi but H… No.
Zen. Read Atlas Shrugged before you decide that you are fit to defend Obama. I am 15 and i read it and found it to be the most fascinating book. Every American should read it before they decide to be a Democrat or Republican. It is very hard to understand yet i was able too. So for people like Zen who are brainwashed liberals that think they are intelligent they may be a little confused by the fact that Capitalism is great and private enterprise is the greatest thing about America and why our economy is so superior to every other nation. As you can tell i do not want to explain why Conservative philosophy trumps liberal do-what-feels-nice philosophy. So simply read Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.
Heidi
you speak as though there is a balance of power right now, but I am afraid to say it but as of right now there is NO balance and don’t blame it on bush, being that we are in the mess we are ,yes some of it was but I for one don’t want bigger government. The canadians have universal health care and my grand mother says her cousin waits 2 or 3 3 months to see a doctor for a cold or flu for example and I for one one don’t want big brother in everything.
Kurt,
Definitely the right idea! I don’t want the government to control everything we do, and I sure as heck don’t want to start with health care reform, Lord only knows what a mess that will be with Socialized health care. There are a lot of people out there frustrated. Take Heidi for example, she just said she agreed with what I posted, but she was being overcharged. Looking at that, there needs to be a change, but certainly not a government controlled system. We who oppose this health care bill need to come up with a reasonable alternative, one that will both stimulate the economy and keep big brother at more than an arms length. It would take a lot of people, and a lot of support, but there has to be a way to lower costs. The way I figure it (understanding that part of it pays for equipment) there is no way an MRI should cost what it does. We’re being literally raped by greedy executives, not doctors mind you, they don’t set the costs. We need to present an alternative, one that will benefit everyone. People have gotten so desperate they are willing to go socialist when they never would have done that before. The costs of everything have risen, there has to be a boycott or an alternative plan of some sort. We conservatives need to quit spending our time grumbling over Obama, and more time coming up with a favorable alternative that will save this country from socialism, and our citizens from destitution just because they have a chronic problem. We have always been a party of doers not talkers, so lets do and show them what we’re all about. I mean, c’mon people!! Let’s come up with something better, it shouldn’t be that hard considering the alternative (eeeek) and I for one don’t want to live in a Socialist country, but people are desperate. They are desperate for themselves, their children, their parents, and desperate people do desperate things. I say we start calling our republican leaders with alternatives and ideas, brainstorm people, let’s get our country back to what it was meant to be!! Go team!!
Caleb,
Some American actually do like where Obama is taking things. You can’t speak on behalf of America as a whole. I don’t agree on everything he does, but what two people think exactly alike?
Kurt,
I don’t blame presidents for the chaos that’s is going on with health care and the economy, that would be senseless. We as a people all have equal blame to share. What we are going to do next is what I care about.
Savanah,
I would never turn socailist EVER!!!! I do , however, want something to change. Not just for myself, but for the country as a whole. I have so many friends who go to a different country for treatment because it’s too expensive here. That is money that could be getting pumped into our economy. The reason why I am for the health care reform is because there are so many reasons why it is needed and like you said yourself the repulicans are not coming up with something better. I do not want every lazy person out there who doesn’t work to have free health insurance on our behalf, but for us working people shouldn’t we be able to afford it?
Heidi,
I agree, we need a change in the health care system, the cost is ridiculous. It really irks me how people are complaining about Obama’s bill, but not coming up with a better alternative, and there sure has to be one out there. I didn’t mean to call you a socialist, I just think some people are at the point of desperation. They’re sick, their kids and parents are sick, Obama comes along with this plan and promises, and this is going to be very hard to pan out since it hasn’t worked very well at all in the past. I am a Republican, and disappointed in my party right now, they need to quit complaining and start doing. We do need a change, we need some bit of a cap on heath care costs, something that will make it affordable for us hardworking people to be able to get treated. There has to be a better alternative out there. Instead of government funded health care, can’t their be some control over the costs, I mean what we pay out is ridiculous. My husband was doing his clinicals in a nursing home, and as much money that is pumped into people staying there, they were so understaffed, didn’t treat the patients with respect, and some even had bedsores, it was awful. Health care needs to be what it used to be, it used to be about healing, nursing used to be about caring, it used to be a humanitarian vocation. Now people got greedy and the costs are so high it unreal. For the democrats who don’t like the bill either, they need to get with the republicans and figure something out, I mean, we have to work together. I think it was Ben Franklin who said a house divided will not stand. We need action, and better ideas. What’s wrong with taking a deep look at health care costs, and seeing how much is reasonable to charge for certain visits and procedures? We don’t need government control, we need people to take a step back and be reasonable.
Savanah is expecting liberals to be reasonable. What a laugh. How strange it is that the more government has been meddling in the health care system for the last 30 years the costs have done nothing but increase. Somehow you expect a different result with more government meddling. Obama’s nightmare has nothing to do with actual health care, but a lot to do with control of your life. Good luck when you are old and sick and the government sees one easy way to cut costs, only you won’t be a part of it.
Why RJH, how kind of you to be so closed to the idea that OUR party has come up with NOTHING and perhaps if there were a better alternative, we could steer away from Obamunism. I hate the “health care plan” as much as you do, but are you disagreeing that we are getting raped by top executives in the pharmaceutical companies? And an FYI for you, I am a hard working middle class American, I have several severe health issues for a 27 year old, my immune system is KILLING my own body. Perhaps if you were someone with a health problem, in and out of doctor’s offices everyday, you would see that there needs to be a cap on what they charge. I have NEVER agreed with Obama’s health care plan, believe me, I know what he’s about. If you want people to stop supporting this kind of insanity, we NEED a better alternative. I’m not expecting Obama to be reasonable, not by a long shot, but his popularity is down big time, this is OUR chance to step in and save our country. I don’t want to just sit around and let this jerk ruin our country, but it seems you’re okay with it so long as it proves your point. Sorry, I’m not okay with it, we need to fight back. If you were out of work, would you sit around and complain or would you go apply for every job you could until you were employed? My brother went on the front lines in Iraq to defend America, and I’m sure you sport the “Support The Troops” signs, but you aren’t doing one thing unless you fight with your own time and talents to defend capitalism. I for one put my ideas out there, what are yours?
Savanah you make a lot of assumptions that you couldn’t possibly know anything about. Secondly, the Republicans at this point have no power to do anything in Congress . Don’t tell me they have no alternatives. They have been frozen out of the process. It seems as though you have bought into everything your liberal bosses from Washington have told you.
RJH,
Ok, I’ll bite. Why could I possibly know nothing about this? Exactly what assumptions am I making? How have all of the Republicans been frozen out? Do you know that there are Democrats that don’t agree with this bill, quite a few actually? Ok, tell me an alternative that they are pushing? I’ve not seen any. I watch Glenn Beck religiously, surely he would have a clue. I hear over and over about how this health care bill is wrong. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that, anyone whose taken western civ. know that socialized anything doesn’t work, shoot, anyone who’s taken elementary social studies can see that. I am not hearing enough “ok here is how we are going to combat this!” I have bought into nothing our supposed “liberal bosses” have told me, but I truly believe the only way we are going to persevere as a country is for both parties, especially those of like mind that this bill is B.S., to get together. John McCain said the same thing, so did George W. Bush. It wasn’t a popularity contest with them. If the democrats want to make it one, let them try, at this point they are a joke. Haven’t you noticed all of the opposition? We still have free speech at this point, why do you think it’s over a year into Obama’s presidency and he’s still on his soap box campaigning? He knows there are MANY people against him, he knows his “policies” are in danger, not to mention his popularity. He’s also learning that playing the black card isn’t going to work as there are many people from all walks of life, races and creeds that think he is the next Adolf Hitler or Stalin. Let us not also forget that although he ran under the Democrat’s ticket, Obama is no Democrat, he is a “Liberatarian” aka modern day Socialist. If you really think everything is being done to combat this, well…..okay, but I for one don’t, I think we need to try harder than simple opposition. If someone is breaking into your house are you going to try to explain to them why it is wrong and the pros and cons, and argue it until you’re blue in the face, or are you going the push the door the other way and block them, possibly ripping there hand off in the process and disabling them from ever trying again. Personally, I pick option B.
Savanah, If you want a cap on what doctors charge then I guess you’ll be happy with Obamas plan. Doctors are going to be government employees. That is the logical progression. I don’t see any mention of a cap on what lawyers charge. Who do you suppose will be public enemy number one for Democrats next. It’s already been insurance companies, oil companies, wall street, Republicans, people making over $250,000, people making over $150,000, people attending tea parties, gun owners, Christians, or in other words just about anyone in the country, at one time or another, except for Marxists , of course. Your assumptions are that if you don’t have a chronic disease you can’t possibly understand healthcare issues which is a bunch of crap. You assume that I don’t have health issues. Whether I do or don’t is nobody’s business but my own.
HELP! Do you not see that this is a communist take over!!! The constitution be damed, your civil rights be damed, the great one shall rule, and Obama shall be americas Chaves presidenti for life.
Or we the people will rise up and crush the tyrant, Opposititon to Tyrane is Obenicance to God. Just for reference that is a quote from a fonding father .
Just for reference Carl Marx was NOT A FOUNDINT FATHER.!!!!!
RJH,
Ummmmm, okay I guess……….. Funny you should mention that after the fact about your health or whatever. I fail to see the relevance in what you just posted to what I posted. You skirted around every question I asked, and the government run health care Obama is proposing is entirely different than cost control, which can be done without government interference, it’s called the laws of supply and demand and we as the consumer kinda control that. There absolutely should be a cap on what lawyers charge, but we weren’t talking about lawyers now were we, we were talking about health care. I’m all up for a good debate, but next time will you try to stick to the subject and be slightly more receptive. I’m used to Democrats taking everything out of context, not Republicans. Oh, by the way, it’s looking very promising for us, I was watching FOX News today, so say a prayer for our party. I really don’t think anyone who doesn’t have a chronic health condition, or isn’t close to someone who does could ever understand the fear that goes along with it. It’s frightening, you worry for your children, your spouse, your entire family, not to mention doing all you can to pay the high costs of medicine, medical treatment and all the supplements you have to take. There is no way an MRI should cost $15,000, even with the payments on the machine, manpower, and overhead you are looking at nothing close to that. Ummm, aren’t we supposed to be on the same side? I mean come on, this is what the democrats did “Obama can do no wrong,” and now they are a party divided. All I’m saying is let he who is without fault cast the first stone. You seem to think I am attacking my fellow Republicans when in actuality all I am saying is “get on the ball people.” I’m a Green Bay Packer fan, but when they’re slacking they are slacking, understand what I am saying?? Let’s not drop the ball here. We have a responsibility to our nation, so don’t complain when you allow the liberals to take over our country and we become Socialist, because they’re doing nothing to stop it but pitching a fit. These are your representatives too, and I for one think you would want better from them.
I’m not so sure we are on the same side. You included the pharmaceutical companies on your enemies list just like a common liberal. A large part of the cost of prescription drugs and doctor care is huge lawsuits and the fear of them as well as the massive paperwork involved in covering their butt. You blame the Republicans. For what? Did you notice they are far in the minority in both houses of Congress. I really don’t believe you’re a Republican at all. I read your gibberish and it points to a liberal posing as a conservative. It was a nice try but you can’t cover up your true loyalties even with a full page post every time.
Well, you don’t have to believe I am a Republican at all because quite frankly I think you are being unrealistic. I always consider the source my dear, considering your personal attacks yet not answering one of my questions (by the way those were not rhetorical). I’m not really seeing your point on how I am “rooting” for the other side so to speak, but, ummm okay, if RJH says so I suppose? Quite frankly I think you’re an Astra Zeneca employee posing as a Republican, but hey who’s judging, I’m a common liberal right? My writing is gibberish? LOL. Well my dear RJH, Heidi would have a good laugh at that one if you read our conversation before the health care debate. When someone says that they don’t approve of Obama’s bill, but they are disappointed that there have been no other options that makes them a Democrat? By the way, do you know anything about the pharmaceutical companies? My guess is you weren’t wined and dined by them working in an orthopedics office like I was. Guess what, you wanna know what else that money goes toward? Commercials for prescription drugs so people can go to their doctor and ask for a medicine they don’t need, several drug rep lunches nationally from Bravo’s and other noted eateries. Advertising? Are you serious, millions of what we are paying is going into advertising? I am lucky enough to have a doctor who would rather put me on what works than the latest thing they are pushing for $120 a pill. Seriously, it’s legal crack dealing. I think I write so much because I am trying to spell it out for you, did you even read any of my earlier posts? What is wrong with us (the American public that is) demanding a little more morality and honesty when it comes to our care?? These doctors ARE given kickbacks to whore out these drugs, if you don’t believe me spend a week working reception at a general practitioners’ office and tell me how often you have to buy your own lunch. Don’t you wonder why their pens say Forrest pharmaceuticals?? That costs money, so do the water bottles, the measuring tapes, the notepads, the drawstring cloth bags, the pill boxes, the samples and everything else they pass out with their name on it. Next time you go to the doctor, check his notepad and tell me which company gave it to him, because it sure as heck wasn’t Mead. Honestly, considering some of your comments, if you think ill of me, I kinda take it as a compliment because before anything else I consider myself reasonable. Oh, and by the way when you say I “blamed” the Republicans, hmmmm, all I said was I wanted more results from my own party. You can sit here and argue semantics with me all you want, but you know good and well we’re a society run on Abilify and Paxil, putting our children on these drugs because they have “ADHD” or bi-polar or whatever else they can put them on to keep them from being kids. If there are that many mentally ill people out there, the world must have been really screwed up in the 1950’s……oh wait it wasn’t, hmmmmmm. We had morals then, abortion was illegal, and people could support their family on one income working hard at a factory. Children had their mothers, and men had their wives at home giving proper care to children and they weren’t all on drugs and getting detention. Church on Sundays and a family outing. Oh yeah, and we weren’t getting bombarded by atheists to take down the Ten Commandments. Greed has got the best of this country. I mean, who was on welfare then? To quote Archie Bunker “those were the days.” Kids didn’t have cell phones and they lived just fine, but now, my freaking tax dollars have to support some woman with ten kids by seven different fathers who doesn’t want to work, sitting on her but getting her check in the mail. Yeah, status quo is great, isn’t it?
That was a tremendous improvement over some of your previous posts. only about 4/5 of it was gibberish this last time. I’m with you, I think all the pharmacetical executives should be crucified. Throw some of the employees to the lions too, just in case they might want to be executives some day. How about those bankers, I guess more of the same for them. The enemies list just gets longer while the real trash, the Marxists in Congress and our Marxist president have their way.
What exactly are you implying? That the status quo is fine, and while we let the Democrats take control of “trying to solve” the problem, we sit idly by and do nothing? That makes a lot of sense. I’m not quite sure where you’re going with this, but do the rest of us a favor, please NEVER represent the Republican Party, Ronald Reagan would roll over in his grave and John McCain would be disgusted if he heard your hateful banter. No darling, it’s people like you who let Socialism take over. You see, instead of coming up with a better alternative, you want to sit down and bash everyone, but don’t worry dear, Jerry Springer needs business too. John McCain had ideas for better health care reform, he must be a Marxist too. Also, could you also please never claim to be a Christian, Christ would never call anyone trash, you give smart, thinking people like McCain a bad name.
Oh, before I forget, kudos on keeping your argument up. I’m not exactly sure what we are arguing over, I mean, I don’t like Obama or his ideas, never did, but please do me a favor, should you meet a person who is ill, losing everything, and trying like heck to make it while Astra Zeneca loads on another bill, just keep whatever it is you like to say while you’re drunk to yourself. Thank you so much and God Bless.
Well it’s Sad to see Obama-Care push through, and for those who think the GOP didn’t come up with alternative I am sure they did just that the dems really don’t want to hear their ideas and if they do the could CARELESS, I say they being a logical individual they do need a cap on what the insurance can charge and even what hospitals can charge. and deny coverage but I think if a someone doesn’t want health Coverage they shouldn’t be forced to get it. You aren’t forced to get a drivers license. I know I may sound like a liberal but I am not, I just want what is right for our country and I think a Democratic controlled congress or Republican controlled isn’t on of them you need balance Daniel San
Savanah, you and John McCain can now go bask in your new health tax bill. McCain lost because he’s a limp wrist just like you. You talk about hate, I didn’t come up with the enemies list that you apparently are a party to. You bring up Ronald Reagen who would be filled with revulsion today if he were alive. If you are the Republican party I want no part of it. It is your opinion that we all just need to get along with Democrats. Name one Democrat that has ever shown an inclination to do the same with regards to Republicans. What a joke.
I am so happy that finally something has been done to stop these leaches we call health insurance companies from sucking our blood. Yay Obama for being one of the few presidents to keep his promise to the American people. Now we can finally move on to tackling other important issues in America.
P.S. RJH does being republican mean being closed minded and arrogant because that’s what you sound like. Anyone who takes anything you say seriously needs to step back for a second to realize there’s no sense in reasoning with someone like you. You’re so full of hate that you can’t even make a good argument. People like you give the republican party a bad name. I usually try to be respectful of everyone, but when someone is being a jerk, you treat them like one. So ha! The bill passed and you can suck it! Stop whining like a little girl and trying to attack girls on forums sissy boy.
Kurt, I totally agree
RJH, save it for your Dungeons and Dragons club.
Heidi,
We’ve disagreed in the past, but I sure wish I would give you a big hug right now. That RJH person is a jerk. Thanks for sticking up for me!! I’m apprehensive on the health care thing, do they need 200 days to finalize it? I wasn’t sure. Big Hugs!!!! Savanah
Oh and RJH, I can name a new one for you. Patrick Kennedy. Why don’t you google his change of heart where abortion is concerned. Don’t place people on the chopping block, pray for them, what kind of a person are you?
Savanah and Heidi, I just gagged a little at your posts. That’s an improvement. Who do you suppose is going to pay for your new entitlement program. Social Security and Medicare are on the verge of insolvency. The country is in a recession that new taxes are going further worsen. So much for the messiahs promise not to raise taxes on people making under $250,000. According to you, happy days are here again. Now you can just dance happily over the cliff together. Yes you’re right about one thing, Democrats and rino Republicans are totally repugnant to me. What group are you going after next. What a pair of jackasses.
The American question has always been personal freedom or the greater good of the society what does this vote say about the president and our congress?
The IRS has grown by 1500, the epa can now fine anyone for carbon emissions, (since I live in the country and have chickens and a couple of goats I am pretty sure they will be sending me a bill pretty soon) the coal burning plant that supplies my electricity will be fined and my bill will go up. If I am young and healthy and do not have insurance I can be fined or even jailed. If it is ok to kill babies (some are murdered after they are removed from the womb and could live), how long before it will be the Patriotic thing for grama and grampa to take that government issued death pill, and those that are born with defects, downs syndrome our other serious medical problems to be mercifully euthanized. It would be for the greater good of the society and that is what all patriotic Americans should want. ‘FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY TO EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR NEED”
as for me and mine “Give me liberty or give me death” If you think this is the ramblings of a lunitic try reading and making sence of the health care bill.
lol @ RJH you are an embarrassment to society! It’s funny to see how you get all worked up. I’ve never seen a man be so catty =] Anyways, you are a waste of my time so I will no longer address you.
Savannah,
Hugs to you also. I don’t know if it takes 200 days to finalize it, but Obama is scheduled to sign it tomorrow and afterwards the senate will be looking over some revisions made by the house, which they have to approve.
Caleb,
I love your way of thinking, but the people do not have the power even without this health care bill. The power rests in the insurance companies or the rich. This bill is finally going to stop the abuse thats been going on in this country. I know the bill is not perfect, but just like anything else you find solutions to the bugs later, but you won’t really know what to fix until you put it in effect.
Heidi, there was a alternative plan, what do you think of this:
Everyone recieves a tax credit that can only go to health care.
Health care can be purched accross state lines.
Tort reform to reduce defensive and expensive testing.
High risk pools to guarentee health coverage.
Portability
Eleminate preexisting condition limit
Two more poinst: The Insurance companies make 2% I make more on my checking account. Exactally how is that gouging?
The federal government refuses medical treatment more offten than insurance compnies. These are some Inconvenient truths I would appreciate you addressing.
I’m glad I’m helping Heidi and Savanah bond so their disapointment won’t be so accute when they find out how badly they’ve stepped in Obama manure. When you two hit rock bottom I’m sure there is some Marxist group for you to cry with.
Here is somthing I just got from Newt.org Worth reading
This will not stand.
No one should be confused about the outcome of Sunday’s vote.
This is not the end of the fight – it is the beginning of the fight.
The American people spoke decisively against a big government, high tax, Washington knows best, pro-trial lawyer, centralized and bureaucratic health system.
In every recent poll the vast majority of Americans opposed this monstrosity.
Speaker Pelosi knew the country was against the bill. That is why she kept her members trapped in Washington and forced a vote on Sunday.
She knew if she let the members go home their constituents would convince them to vote no.
The Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine combined the radicalism of Alinsky, the corruption of Springfield and the machine power politics of Chicago.
Sunday was a pressured, bought, intimidated vote worthy of Hugo Chavez but unworthy of the United States of America.
It is hard to imagine how much pressure they brought to bear on congressman Stupak to get him to accept a cynical, phony clearly illegal and unconstitutional executive order on abortion. The ruthlessness and inhumanity of the Obama-Pelosi-Reid machine was most clearly on display in their public humiliation of Stupak.
The real principles of the machine were articulated by Democratic Congressman Alcee Hastings who was impeached and removed from the bench as a federal judge, before being elected to the House when he said “There ain’t no rules here, we’re trying to accomplish something…All this talk about rules…When the deal goes down…we make ’em up as we go along.”
It is hard for the American people to believe their leaders on the Left are this bad. They are.
The American people will not allow a corrupt machine to dictate their future.
Together we will pledge to repeal this bill and start over
Together we will prove that this will not stand.
2010 and 2012 will be among the most important elections in American history.
These elections will allow us to save America from a left-wing machine of unparalleled corruption, arrogance and cynicism.
Sunday was one more step in the fight against a “Washington knows best” and “Washington should run everything” attitude.
Let us turn now to the Senate to continue this fight for real reform, for real self government, and for policies that create jobs, improve health outcomes, and increase freedom.
To help continue this fight, please consider making a contribution of $15, $25 or whatever you can, right here.
Together, we will ensure that this does not stand.
Your friend,
Newt Gingrich
General Chairman
Caleb,
They make more than 2%. the insurance companies have been screwing people over for a long time. My proffessor pays $750 a month for his wife’s premium because she had surgery 5 years ago. Now she only has 5 yearly check ups a year, but still pays the same. The insurance company only covered 40% of the surgery costs after a long battle and a threat to sue and the rest came out of their pocket. How is that 2%? Reducing expensive testing is not an option for me. If I feel the need to have a test done I do not want a doctor telling me I can’t have it done. Besides, if the reason we pay such high costs on insurance is because the machinery is so expensive, then why would we pay for something we can’t use?
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2010/feb2010/prof-f19.shtml
http://hcfan.3cdn.net/a9ce29d3038ef8a1e1_dhm6b9q0l.pdf
Heidi,
Are you just off line or do you have no answer to my previous post?
For all those who are against the bill because it will fund abortion check out the bill and you will see that there is specific wording to make sure that doesn’t happen. Without this wording the bill wouldn’t have passed. Check it out.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/03/21/one-more-step-towards-health-insurance-reform
Caleb,
I agree this bill frightens me quite a bit. I mean, it like Heidi and I were discussing, there just has to be something. I don’t like the bill, I wish we had more options to choose from. I just don’t understand why medical coverage and care have to be so expensive. I mean, I’m sure there are better ways, and like I was telling Heidi, I can’t help but be a slight bit disappointed at the Republican leaders I have put my faith in. I’m not going Liberatarian by any means, I just feel like there was a better option for reform, and we didn’t even consider one.
Heidi,
You still rock!!!! I’m glad our bonding makes RJH sick, maybe he’ll have to spend some time in a doctors office and see what we have been talking about.
God Bless you both Caleb and Heidi, and even RJH!!!!
Savanah
Caleb,
I though I did answer your comment, but to be more specific I like the alternative plan except for tort reform. I know for a fact that insurance companies make a lot more than 2% and I’ve never heard of the government refusing medical treatment more so than the insurance companies. If you have examples I’d like to hear them. If you are speaking about other comments like the one from newt.org then all I have to say about that is that there are many corrupt people amongst both parties.
lol Savanah you rock also!
Savanha
The things that I listed were part of the Republicn proposel, the 2% can be checked out on greta wire.com. So why could the Obama administration not reach a bi-partican agreement? I believe it is because health care is not the issue, the issue is a take over by government and a lose of our individual freedoms. That is also why the fuzzy science of globle warming, nothing real on the job front and a massive increase in your and my taxes (ie corbon tax, a tax on health care, a tax on our retirement accounts…) etc. It never seaces to amaze me that other wise intelligent people can not see that there is a clear pattern here. The next step is the naturalization of 30 million new voters all dependent on the Obama admistraion and I predict that it will be forced through before November. Does that trouable you?
Heidi, Savanah,
My daughter works for a medical supply company as a claims processor and experiences these denials on a dialy basis. She and I agree that their are things that need to be fixed, we both believe that this bill has nothing to do with the problem it is a crises to be exploited.
Caleb,
Believe me, I hear you. It starts with one thing like health care and pretty soon we are run completely by the government. Health care is probably the most lucrative industry in the world, and I have no doubt the government wants their piece of that. It got leaked out they got it with the cash for clunkers as well (rebates for computer access) Now see, we never hear of the other proposal. I mean, you get on the news and it seems like there is only one choice when it comes to reform. When did we all become so divided? In a perfect world everyone would work together I guess, it just seems so alien that we have all of these charismatic leaders on both sides, and still, ya know. I like the Republican proposal, I would have to see the exact measures on tort reform to be able to agree with that part. I mean, there should be a limit, but if it doesn’t take care of someone’s medical expenses and continued care from something that is not their fault that’s not right. It’s one of those things that is different in every case. How would that affect BWC claims and such? There perhaps should be a measure for long term care for those who need it. I think a lot of times they end up spending more money not wanting to do the more expensive necessary procedure, than trying trying to treat the person long term with less expensive techniques that don’t work. I have a friend who has needed surgery for over a year, and just got her MRI approved three months ago, meanwhile they have spent so much in court costs and trying to skirt around it, they could have had her back fixed, and she could be on her feet on the job and off of the Percocet.
Caleb Douglas has a brain, I sure hope it rubs off on a couple of other people. I agree with him 100%.
Savanah,
I have a friend in the same situation, a back injury that was being faught by workmans comp. But even she sees the Obama package as a problem more than a solution. I heard on FOX news that they are going to start taxing medical savings accounts, I have not confirmed that one yet so I am not saying it is true but how could that help?
The way I understand the TORT reform it would not affect health care, only punative damages, we have that here and I think the limit is 2 million but I am not sure. That seems reasonable for suffuring if all health care is paid for.
As I said before, I fear that health care is only one part of a very intelligent and well planed move to have the constitution negated and replaced by a elite politeriate. For the good of the ignorant masses (that would be me and you).
RJH
Thanks for the good word, do not be so hard on others we desperatly need to communicate and consolidate.
Caleb,
Please don’t misunderstand me, I never thought the Obama package was a good thing, or even a slightly doable option. I was just simply disappointed that there seemed to be so much emphasis on dogging other people that we were losing focus, we all want one common thing, to make it better without becoming Communist Russia in the process. Somewhere in the mix Heidi and I became knows as Socialists, though she is a Democrat and I a Republican, we both liked the proposed Republican plan, just a little questioning on tort, but it seems to be a fair enough amount to cover someone’s medical bills and suffering, at least after seeing the numbers and taking into account worse case scenario I think so. Amen, we do need to work together, we do need to communicate. I think there is too much anonymity between parties as it is, and with a Democrat majority, we need a better mix of ideas from both parties. There are a lot of Democrats out there that don’t like this plan, and now that we are so divided there is no communication between parties, and it takes everyone involved to work together.
Caleb & Savanah,
Maybe this is a conspiracy, maybe not. The only thing I know for sure is that it took over a year to get this much done and the republicans want to throw out the bill and start from scratch? Thats not a good thing to say to the American people who have been waiting for and expecting some kind of health care reform for over a year. BTW I am not a democrat or a republican because I have my disagreements as well as agreements with both parties at times. Also, that 2% is something that insurance companies post to make them seem like they are not the bad guy, when indeed they are. I pay at least $2600.00 a year for health insurance if I don’t go to the doctor at all. 2% of that would be $52. I never use more than $500.00 worth of health care. Where’s my extra $2000.00? It’s in the pockets of scumbags who are ripping all of us middle class workers off. I’d rather pay that money knowing that it will help someone else have health insurance, than to pay the CEO of Humana for being a leach. Everyone is so worried about being socialists and taking from the rich to give to the poor, but what they fail to realize is just how much the rich has been taking from us. If the government is planning some sick plan to get rid of the constitution I will be willing to die protecting our freedom, but in my opinion it’s kind of silly to assume. Just like the people who accused Bush of having something to do with 911. You can believe it all you want, but if you don’t have sufficient proof to back up your words then your argument will just die out. I don’t believe in trusting our government blindly, but I do believe in weighing the good against the bad and I think this bill can do more good than bad.
Yeah Heidi, lets get those capitalist pigs. A solid majority of about 40% wanted Obama’s tax plan. I guess that is good solid liberal arithmetic. I pay $12,000 a year for health insurance and you whine.
Heidi,
Sorry, I didn’t mean to pigeonhole you girl, I think I just assumed you were democrat, never a good thing to assume. Anyways, although I don’t like the bill, I just am afraid that once we go there if it doesn’t work then we are kinda stuck, and since it’s not the same system of checks and balances our country was built on, I’m worried it’d be kind of like the whole square peg in the round hole thing. I understand what you mean about the 2%, I was doing some math in my head, and it doesn’t always pan out, I think basically it’s kind of like taxes, we end up paying for others. Although you might be losing money in having it, so it might not be in your best interest, some people get really sick and require thousands of dollars worth of tests a month, so that would make me think why it could pan out to be 2%. So technically, they are getting 98% profit on your money, but on some they are losing money, so then after overhead maybe they are making 2%. I don’t know for sure, just an idea.
RJH,
Quit being a jerk, we are having a civil discussion. Your comments aren’t helpful, they are harassing and mean. You are doing nothing to prove a point, you are just making yourself look bad. Unless you have substance to add, you’re wasting valuable time being evil and hateful. You don’t listen on what people have to say, you zero in on the one thing you think you can harp on and act like a jerk. My guess is (and I am 5 ft nothing) that you would back down in a second. You are too much of a coward to act this way in real life so you do it on the internet, so sad.
RJH,
You’re back! No wonder you’re so angry paying that much is insane! Luckily most of my insurance in covered by my job and I am blessed with good health. If not I’d probably pay that much as well.
Savanah,
Don’t worry about it girl I just wanted to make that clear. I am used to having people assume I am republican when I speak my mind about my conservative ideas as well. I guess it does make sense if you think about it that way the whole 2% thing, but then again so many people get their claims declined and afterwards get dropped making it hard for anyone to get their money’s worth.
Very true!! I really don’t like health insurance. Sometimes I feel like if the prices were reasonable we wouldn’t need it, ya know? Sometimes people save money paying out of pocket, especially if your medicine is on the 4 dollar programs we have around here (some generics are) The crazy thing I don’t understand is that if you have prescription drug coverage, that $4 turns into a $10 copay, so crazy. I’m all for capitalism, people need to earn a living just like us, but I know that there are medicines that would be better for me that I refuse because I can’t afford it. Why do they have to be so expensive. The drug companies were a lucrative business, but now we pay for all of this advertising. When I was little I don’t remember seeing commercials for Viagra and Abilify on the tube, and I think all of that airtime is what’s costing us so much money. There is a commercial for my daughter for the new Barbie doll, and then another for Lexapro, like we can just go out and buy it. I don’t get it, medicine shouldn’t be something we are like “oh, I need that” the doctors should be the ones prescribing what we need. Ah well, in a perfect world, right?
Generic viagra, or ibepokin, is much cheaper.
Where can I find this Barbie doll? I want to make her my bride.
You two disgusting creatures Dr. Bob and Chuckie.
By the way Chuckie there will be no sequel to ” Bride of Chuckie” if I have anything to say about it.
Heidi, Savana
Heidi we all want a better health care system, I firmly believe this one is bad. Did you ever consider that other people with your health care plan may have cancer, be on diolasis, need a kidney or heart transplant I would ask you to consider that at least some of your money goes to pay those expenses. My problem is two fold:
1. The government has a proven failure record in health care, they lose money and turn down care more offten than private providers.
2. Why did this admistration believe the only answer was to create 27 new burocracys and hire 1500 (I think it was a lot more) IRS agents to enforce its new policys. Just as a side bar why did the health care plan contain legislation that took over the private lending sector so that only the governmen can now give student loans? What exactly does that have to do with health care? Biger Government yes. Health care?
Heidi
I just wanted to let you know that I agree that the commercals are rediculious, stupid and immoral but not worth giving up my freedom for.
Caleb,
Hey hun, I was the one complaining about the commercials, LOL. Actually, my point being that they are the reason necessary prescription medications cost so much, and if people used their noggins we wouldn’t be in this situation to begin with. There has to be some control of greed. It’s like you were talking about on the torte laws, capping what they will pay out. All they needed to do was cut costs and we wouldn’t be facing the health care crisis we are. Obama’s plan is extreme and dangerous, this could have been done so much easier if we could control people’s greed. I mean, really it’s like everything, all of these government bailouts, what the heck? That come’s out of our pocket, I didn’t live beyond my means or overextend my finances, but we are paying because top executives did. Makes me wonder why I know this and they don’t, and why the heck I don’t have that job because it seems to me you don’t have to be a financial genius, and I bet I can balance a checkbook better than they can. I want a multimillion dollar a year job that doesn’t require me to know half of the math I know, or have half of the sense I have. By their standards, most of us are probably overqualified because we have opposible thumbs and know what y=mx+b means.
Savananha, sorry
I actually agree with most of what you say about the pharmacutical companies. We do need regulation, I just do not want the government to take ove like they did with health care, GM, Banking and student loans. We need some house cleaning just do not burn the house down.
Savanaha I did not mean you burning the house down I was refering to Nancy and the gange.
It’s cool Caleb. I hear you. Amen…my thoughts exactly, don’t burn down the house, too many better options to look at. I think for the most part we are all on the same page, there was a better way to do it. We just needed everyone to pull together. I’ll tell ya, we really have a house divided. I have friends who are Democrats, and I have friends who are Republicans like myself, and I have friends who could give a hoot. Now if all of those men in Washington could discuss and get along as well as hormonally imbalanced, overstressed twenty-something women with screaming kids who have different views but can still come to the same conclusion, we’d be better off. I say from now on, no more men or women of post-menopausal age like Pelosi. We need estrogen and we need it now!! Join me Heidi!! Young women to rule the world!!
I am joking of course Caleb, but after thinking over the longstanding idea of “what if women ruled the world?” I look at my marriage. I balance the checkbook, I fill out my husband student loan forms, I keep my husband on top of everything that only he can do, I do our budget for bills, food etc, I do our taxes, I am always organizing after he “cleans”, I keep in touch with his mother more, the list really goes on and on, heck I even organize his email!!! LOL. Most of my friends are the same way with their husbands, and we’re not controlling or mean, we just take up for them because they don’t do it. I’m actually laughing my butt off right now. I say the heck with parties, let’s just get the men the heck outta there (again, just part joking) You rock Caleb and Heidi!!!
Now that Obamacare has passed we can all love each other and be happy under Communism. Isn’t it grand it’s brought us all together. We’ll soon be a third world country but who cares as long as we have this blissful oblivion that is here to stay. Obama is just the greatest Communist ever.
RJH,
At first I wasn’t going to even grace that with a response, but are you completely unaware that everyone on this page wanted a better option? We didn’t want this. I can sit and complain and be miserable, or I can take action. Don’t just sit and complain and use sarcasm as a means of attempting to belittle people you don’t know. This bill isn’t in effect yet. Call your congressmen, write letters, have petitions going, peaceful protest. You can patrol your own combine on your riding mower, or you can fight for our country. Don’t disgrace the many men and women who have died for Democracy, do something. I can choose to be miserable, but quite honestly, life sucks, it does, for everyone. It’s what you make of it. Happiness isn’t avoiding the rain, it’s learning how to dance in the storm, so lighten up a bit. I don’t know if you are a religious or not, but start praying if you are. I am, give God some credit.
It’s fun to read Heidi and Savanah banter back and forth like they think the Communists actually care what they think. The Communists passed their health care control bill against the will of the American people in classic Communist fashion. Like Premier Obama said “they’ve been trying for 100 years and they finally got it done”. Sure Heidi and Savanah have good intentions, but when are they going to understand that as things are right now, what they think or their intentions don’t matter at all?
Glad we could amuse you RJH. Always a pleasure to be of service.
Yea, I think I’ll have a cigarette now.
Ok, I’ll have one, but I’m not in the mood to cuddle, let’s turn on Leno.
Sevana, Heidi: Old men rule the world because they are not ruled by their beep, Old women rule the financle world because their husbands die and leave them everything. I think you already have the better deal.
Heidi and Savana: Old men rule the world because they are not ruled by their Beep
Old women rule financial world because their husbands die and leave it to them.
I think you already have the better deal. 😉
LOL, you rock Caleb. Good point. I dunno, still have too many old dudes thinking with their Beep when I go out with friends. Some of those geriatric playboys are pervs!!! LOL
It’s pointless to tell a woman her opinion doesn’t matter, she’s still going to make you hear it.
You have an excellent point there Heidi. Thanks for the morning chuckle. I stand corrected.
Amen Heidi. We can hold it in, but only for so long, then it really comes out!!
Savanah back on March 23 you insinuated that I’m a wimp and stated that I’m a coward also. I’ll have you know I use tobasco sauce on my quiche and tofu even though I also have an innate fear of the Easter Bunny. There, now I’ve come clean with it.
LMAO, RJH you crack me up!!!
Just reading these I am at a loss for words but.. WOW
If anyone is interested go look up the video “what Obama doesn’t want you to know”. pretty interesting stuff. Kinda scary actually
Q: What does obama stand for?
A: One Big Ass Mistake America
I got mine…Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama are in a sinking ship…who is saved?
America.
dis r really hilarouis jokes we hv never listened before
H3LL I MAKE UP BLACK JOKES AT BLACK PEOPLE WHY R U BEING SUCH D***SCH ABOUT IT
what’s wrong wuth the name hussain !!you should really learn to respect other culters !! you have no idea what you just saud could mean in other countries !!
@ nnn123. You must appreciate the irony that the man who is now running our country has a middle name that is the same as the last name of one of the most feared and hated men in the world of our time. It has nothing to do with a lack of respect for other cultures, that assanine considering everybody ribs politicians about everything. Remember Ross Perot and the ears? Cheney and the shooting his friend, Clinton and Big Mac jokes? He’s up for ridicule like every other politician. This is a joke website and you’re taking it way too seriously.
Uh, hey nnn123, Won Any Spelling Bees lately? Just Which “Countries” are You so concerned about….you know, the ones that May be Offeeeeeeended?
Breaking News: President Obama has just confirmed that DC earth quake occurred on a previously unknown fault line known as Bush’s fault.
,,,,That’s ok SaVANAH ,,,THERE WILL BE A DAY ,,wHEN YOU TURN GRAY ,,,THAT YOU WILL PRAY ,,,FOR A ROLL IN THE HAY ,,,LOLOL,,,
Im russian i kno comunisum and obama is pushing tward it every day and im sad to say that within the nex 2 yrs america will be a communist country